a simple blue water (with the new eqipment)

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a simple blue water (with the new eqipment)

Unread post by dmbguitar718 » Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:07 pm

I's still trying to work out exactly how to use this stuff. Here's a blue water that I did guitar/vocals at the same time. My voice is still not that good, but I'm working on it.

Oh, and once I learn how to eq, compress, etc, my recordings will sound alot better.

http://www.patmcinnis.com/blue.mp3

oh, and i was pretty pissed when the phone rang. haha, you'll hear it.
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Unread post by i like tictacs » Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:47 pm

Not bad, as you said the voice needs work but it sounds good.
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Unread post by dmbguitar718 » Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:51 pm

Yeah, it really does. It starts of really bad. Sorry bout that. Blue Water isn't exactly my best to sing to either.
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Unread post by MWR » Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:35 pm

Sounds good. Much more acoustic than going through a pick-up. You could actually mic the guitar and blend it with the pick-up. That might give you better balance.
Where are placing the mics? Try pointing the small condenser at around the 14th fret from a foot away and the large condenser up over your right shoulder pointing at the bridge. The large condenser is side addressed so you want to tilt it so the label is pointing in the direction of the source. Then you want to pan each signal to either side until you get the kind of stereo sound you want. There are other ways to record stereo but you need a matched pair of mics and its much more finicky. The golden rule for stereo micing is: make sure the distance between the two mics is three times the distance between the main mic(small condenser) and the source(guitar). So if you have the small cond. a foot away from the gutiar than your large cond. should be at least three feet away from the other mic. You also want to get the levels on the m-box nice and hot. Play the loudest passage of the song and turn up the levels until it's just shy of clipping. Anyway...enough rambling about stereo recording. :)

I like that your singing, I mean it's got problems but your not gonna get better unless you do it alot just like anything. In time you'll be able to better translate what you hear in your head vs. what's being recorded. When you do you'll notice some major improvements.

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Unread post by dmbguitar718 » Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:44 pm

MWR wrote:Sounds good. Much more acoustic than going through a pick-up. You could actually mic the guitar and blend it with the pick-up. That might give you better balance.
Where are placing the mics? Try pointing the small condenser at around the 14th fret from a foot away and the large condenser up over your right shoulder pointing at the bridge. The large condenser is side addressed so you want to tilt it so the label is pointing in the direction of the source. Then you want to pan each signal to either side until you get the kind of stereo sound you want. There are other ways to record stereo but you need a matched pair of mics and its much more finicky. The golden rule for stereo micing is: make sure the distance between the two mics is three times the distance between the main mic(small condenser) and the source(guitar). So if you have the small cond. a foot away from the gutiar than your large cond. should be at least three feet away from the other mic. You also want to get the levels on the m-box nice and hot. Play the loudest passage of the song and turn up the levels until it's just shy of clipping. Anyway...enough rambling about stereo recording. :)

I like that your singing, I mean it's got problems but your not gonna get better unless you do it alot just like anything. In time you'll be able to better translate what you hear in your head vs. what's being recorded. When you do you'll notice some major improvements.
What a great post. Thank you verrry much, I'll look into all of that.

Also the voice stuff. Suprisingly, I have improved a decent amount in the past few months. haha. You think I'm bad now? I could have caused a stroke with my voice.

Thanks again, for all of that information, it should really help.

Actually, I'm going to take a picture of how I'm doing it, that way you can see it exactly.
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Unread post by dmbguitar718 » Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:55 pm

here are the pictures.

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Unread post by dmbguitar718 » Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:57 pm

also, it's hard to get a good angle with those mics because i dont have one of the connecter things yet. you know, the thing that makes it possible to hook two mics on one stand.
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Unread post by MWR » Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:20 pm

Thanks for the pic that helps a lot.

I think your main problem with that set-up is the mics are a)too far away and b) to close to one another. It's more suitable for a matched pair.

Check out this aritcle mainly for the pictures:
http://www.humbuckermusic.com/acguitrectec.html
The spaced pair version B should give you the best sound with the least headache. The idea behind it is that the small condenser pics up the meat of the sound while the large condenser pics up more room ambiance.

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Unread post by dmbguitar718 » Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:39 pm

ooohhh nice, that's an awesome link. thank you so much. :)
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Unread post by i like tictacs » Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:18 pm

Red head's got chops
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Unread post by dmbguitar718 » Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:25 pm

i like tictacs wrote:Red head's got chops
hahaha.

I played with a drummer at my music club at school, and he said the same thing. "You got chops, man"

At first I was thinking about saying like "Yeah, I need to work on that", but I realized it was a compliment after.

I still don't really understand it. "Chops"?

haha.
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Unread post by dmbguitar718 » Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:41 pm

hahahhaha thanks ;)
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Unread post by Mulletman » Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:45 pm

i agree it takes a little bit for you to feel comfortable but your voice definetely sounds natural when you start getting into it. i like the way it sounds near the end. you can tell you have a good voice you just need to get comfortable. in the beginning it's a bit forced i think. overall really nice. your guitar playing is great as always. my friend gave me some good advice for warming up so the first couple of lines aren't so rough. for warmups, start humming as low as you can and work your way to the mid ranges then to the high. then do the same with your mout open and your good to go. it helped me at least. cheers!

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Unread post by RSabala » Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:38 am

Those are some cool additions (guitar) you added in to that song. I'd be interested in seeing what you did on a tab.

Would you mind jotting out a quick tab of what you did?

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