what is C sus2?

[pele0069]

thanks

[Pickles]

x30010

[pele0069]

thats what i thought but i wasnt sure thanks

[Duffman]

does anyone know a good website that explains what all those mean? i know all about major keys and stuff and how minors have a lowered 3rd and lowered 7th. major 7ths have a 7th in there and dominent 7ths have a flatted 7th. but there are some that i don't know what they mean, like sus 2. any good tutorials about this sort of thing?

[Pickles]

FORMULAS

maj - 1 3 5
min - 1 b3 5
maj7 - 1 3 5 7
(dom)7 - 1 3 5 b7
m7 - 1 b3 5 b7
sus2 - 1 2 5
sus4 - 1 4 5
aug - 1 3 #5
dim - 1 b3 b5
add2 - 1 2 3 5
add4 - 1 3 4 5
(dom)9 - 1 3 5 b7 9
maj9 - 1 3 5 7 9
min9 - 1 b3 5 b7 9
dom11 - 1 3 5 b7 9 11
maj11 - 1 3 5 7 9 11
min11 - 1 b3 5 b7 9 11
dom13 - 1 3 5 b7 9 13
maj13 - 1 3 5 7 9 13
min13 - 1 b3 5 b7 9 13
Dim(full) - 1 b3 b5 bb7(6)
aug7 - 1 3 #5 b7

FORMATIONS

maj - 133211, x13311
min - 133111, x13321
dom7 - 131211, x13131
maj7 - 1x221x, x13231
min7 - 113121, 131111
dom7#9 - x3234x

the formation for minor7 starting on the fifth string is the same as the 7 formation starting on the 6th string...

whenever a chord just has "7" it is called a dominant 7, so i will refer to those as "dom7" from now on

FLATS/SHARPS

whenever you see and "add" on the end of the chord, it just means you add that interval..
so... a Dm(add4) would be 1 b3 4 5

b2, #2, b3, #4, b5, #5, b6, b7

Bb
well, just look at the Bb manor scale and find the 1 3 and %
5
i know the b means flat... just mixed crap up
1 3 and 5?

if i were to say b3 (flat 3), that means to flat the 3, or go down one half step...
(b3 of Cmaj is Eb)


ENHARMONIC TONES (one note having 2 names ie Bb and A#)

when you have a key like Bb, you have the notes Bb and Eb
but you wouldn't write down A# or D#
if a key starts in a flat, the other notes that aren't natural should have flats too...
same for sharps...

WAYS TO REMEMBER INTERVALS AND SCALES

well, to remember the scales it would be best just to know, the steps (WWHWWWH)...
and for the formulas...
you just kind of have to know them...
but the best way to look at it is to see the small differences in the formulas...
for instance...
the dom7, maj7, and min7 are all very similar....
all three have the 1 and 5
the dom7 and maj7 both have the 3..
and the min7 and dom7 both have the b7

EXTENSIONS

if you were to make the major scale all the way out, and keep going every time you start on the original note, you'll make extensions...
and here they are...

the 9 (same thing as the 2!)
the 11 (same thing as the 4!)
and the 13 (same thing as the 6!)
and those are the only extension, it doesn't go past the 13

so if you see a chord that says Cadd2, and then anothe that says, Cadd9, guess what they are the same thing!

lets work on some 9s 11s and 13s
alright when you have these extensions, they are three types, and they are based on the maj, min and dom seven chords

ORDER OF IMPORTANCE

Because there are so many notes, you'll have to leave some out, but you need to know which ones to drop first.

MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT

The 3 (or b3)
The 7 (or b7)
The Extensions
The Root
The 5

Alright so if you wanna make somethin like the maj 13, these are the intervals you'll probably want to have:

1 3 7 13 (and maybe the 9)

IMPORTANCE OF INTERVALS

The 3 or b3 is important because it is what makes the chord major or minor
The 7 or the b7 is the next most important because it is what makes the chord or maj7 min7 or dom7
The extension are next because they are what give the extended chords their name (why would you call it an 11 if it doesn't have an eleven)
the root is next because it is usually played by a bass player. this is only true if their is a bass player of course (you'll want the root if you are by yourself)
the 5 is least important because it doesn't change the indentity of the chord (you'll notice almost all the formulas i gave you have the 5)
the 5 is important only if you "alter" it (like a b5 or a #5)

with 11's and 13's, you can usually drop the 9 before you would drop something like the root

DIMINISHED

When we say a diminshed chords, we are talking about the set of chords that have the b5 in them. All diminished chords have the b3.
And then there is the half-diminished chord (also written, min7b5, min7-5)

symbol = a degree symbol with a slash through it usually raised like an exponent... (so it would look like C(Symbol))

dim7, °
C° means C Full Diminished
if the ° has a slash through it it means half diminished
FULL DIMINISHED - 1 b3 b5 bb7

Ddim9 - 1 b3 b5 bb7 9

if its half it will tell you... Eb9 (b5)
if a "dim" has an extension it will be full dim

AUGMENTED

Similiar to the diminished in that the 5 is changed.

The basic aug... 1 3 #5

Augmented 7 - (aug7, +7, 7#5)

see how the plus symbol means augmented and the minus symbol means diminished?
the minus symbol can also mean flatting the note

ALTERATIONS

Alterations are just written into the formulas like this...

D7b9 (Formula: 1 3 5 b7 b9)
Dm7b5(add4) (Formula: 1 b3 4 b5 b7)

SUS

For sus chords, always replace the 3 with 2 for sus2 or 4 for sus4.

If there is no 2 or 4, then you can choose which one you want.

[Duffman]

where did you find all that?

[Duffman]

oops double post

[led_zep123]

http://www.guitartabs.cc has a chord generator that is basically a chord ditionary.

[Pickles]

i have 3 theory files on my computer from lessons with fj. thats 1 of em.

[DJR]

both you and fatjack kick major ass - totally putting this one in the favorites menu - thanks a lot

[souna]

http://www.looknohands.com/chordhouse/g ... ex_rb.html
That's a site with lots of chords and scales not much explanation though but still it can be helpfull

[fatjack]

where did you find all that?

that was all from an AIM conversation that me and shane had

[ericwormann]

x30010

I'm being picky, but that technically isn't a Csus2 because it has an E in it. A Csus2 should only have C, D, and G in it:

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e-3--3--3--
b-1--3--3--
g-0--0--5--
d-0--x--5--
a-3--3--3--
e-x--x--x--

[fatjack]

x30010

I'm being picky, but that technically isn't a Csus2 because it has an E in it. A Csus2 should only have C, D, and G in it:

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e-3--3--3--
b-1--3--3--
g-0--0--5--
d-0--x--5--
a-3--3--3--
e-x--x--x--

rock on winglet

[rochsuprstar]

A good place is chordfind.com