theory question

[Appfro]

ok now w/o getting too in depth, (grock) how is it that in the middle of a song, one can change a chord from a maj to a min w/o changing the key? how does that work

ie, Bad Day (Fuel) the chords to A, F#, D, Dm

Lie in our graves, Dave uses an A and an Am

lots of others, but i think that describes it enough

[fatjack]

ok now w/o getting too in depth, (grock) how is it that in the middle of a song, one can change a chord from a maj to a min w/o changing the key? how does that work

ie, Bad Day (Fuel) the chords to A, F#, D, Dm

Lie in our graves, Dave uses an A and an Am

lots of others, but i think that describes it enough

you do change key, just briefly...

am i not good enough for you anymore apps?

[Appfro]

ok now w/o getting too in depth, (grock) how is it that in the middle of a song, one can change a chord from a maj to a min w/o changing the key? how does that work

ie, Bad Day (Fuel) the chords to A, F#, D, Dm

Lie in our graves, Dave uses an A and an Am

lots of others, but i think that describes it enough

you do change key, just briefly...

am i not good enough for you anymore apps?

well i IMed you that one time and you were busy, im kind of a...hmmm, how do you say it, wuss. i was afraid that you didn't want to talk to me anymore i'll im you again when its good time for you again

[fatjack]

ok now w/o getting too in depth, (grock) how is it that in the middle of a song, one can change a chord from a maj to a min w/o changing the key? how does that work

ie, Bad Day (Fuel) the chords to A, F#, D, Dm

Lie in our graves, Dave uses an A and an Am

lots of others, but i think that describes it enough

you do change key, just briefly...

am i not good enough for you anymore apps?

well i IMed you that one time and you were busy, im kind of a...hmmm, how do you say it, wuss. i was afraid that you didn't want to talk to me anymore i'll im you again when its good time for you again

just IM me whenever and i'll let you know, you just caught me at a time when i was a little busy (which i'm usually not)

dont be afraid! thoery is fun!

[gravedigger]

ok now w/o getting too in depth, (grock) how is it that in the middle of a song, one can change a chord from a maj to a min w/o changing the key? how does that work

ie, Bad Day (Fuel) the chords to A, F#, D, Dm

Lie in our graves, Dave uses an A and an Am

lots of others, but i think that describes it enough

Yeah Dave really has a knack of bouncing of other keys which is probably a big part of why we like his songs. but yeah Dave often plays the verse in one key and the chorus in another and sometimes the bridge in yet another key but he puts them together so that it sounds good. so a song can be in many keys. the ending chord to a song is often what the key of the song is but sometimes Dave plays the 5th of the key on the end or whatever. ok I do have a point here. A song doesn't have to be confined to a single key. there are hundreds of "tricks" to string keys together and many "funky" chords that you can stick in places where they may not sound good by themselves but when played in between chords it sounds fuckin' cool.

anyway, hope this helped a little.

[Appfro]

well yea, i kinda understood that much, that a song doesn' thave to be in one key. like for example, crush jumps back and forth from G to D. but what i couldn't understand is how you can change a key for just a second and jump back w/o making it sound like crap. just trying to expand my ability to write music.

[fatjack]

ok now w/o getting too in depth, (grock) how is it that in the middle of a song, one can change a chord from a maj to a min w/o changing the key? how does that work

ie, Bad Day (Fuel) the chords to A, F#, D, Dm

Lie in our graves, Dave uses an A and an Am

lots of others, but i think that describes it enough

Yeah Dave really has a knack of bouncing of other keys which is probably a big part of why we like his songs. but yeah Dave often plays the verse in one key and the chorus in another and sometimes the bridge in yet another key but he puts them together so that it sounds good. so a song can be in many keys. the ending chord to a song is often what the key of the song is but sometimes Dave plays the 5th of the key on the end or whatever. ok I do have a point here. A song doesn't have to be confined to a single key. there are hundreds of "tricks" to string keys together and many "funky" chords that you can stick in places where they may not sound good by themselves but when played in between chords it sounds fuckin' cool.

anyway, hope this helped a little.

there aren't that many dave songs that switch keys like you say...most of them stay in a common key with a few accidentals here and there

and where in in lie in our graves does it go from A to Am Apps?

[Appfro]

i didn't mean he goes from A to Am, but he plays Em, A, G. then during the second part of the verse he plays Am.

[fatjack]

i didn't mean he goes from A to Am, but he plays Em, A, G. then during the second part of the verse he plays Am.

yeah, thats a key change alright

[paywad927]

man, i really need to learn some theory so i know what yall are talking about.

[fatjack]

man, i really need to learn some theory so i know what yall are talking about.

yeah, fo real, get on that

[adrianosr]

Hi!
You guys ever heard of 12 tone pieces?
These are songs that include all 12 tones (C, C#, D, D#,E,E#...)!
A guitar player named Uwe Kropinski has many songs like that. By the way, he is the best guitar player I ever heard! The guy is so amazing that he performs a songs called 'trio for one guitar' because, when you hear it it sounds like there are three guys playing!! Check out his website, he has some sound clips for you to get an idea:
http://www.kropinski.com/music.html
Just scroll down and you'll find them!

[grock]

well your question is flawed. cuz they do change keys when changing from minor to major. alot has to do with what the ear wants to hear. the way our brains work. like when a scale is descending we like to hear notes and tones different than when the scale is ascending. this is what gave rise to the melodic minor key. so there is a simple answer. and yes i do have a habit of going a bit too in depth for the average desire of an answer.

many times when a maj and minor appear in the same phrase it is meant to elicit a tinge. like a "wait that doesn't sound right" type of fealing. and that is to put emotion and dissonance into a peice. cuz the ear is naturally expecting the same tone and when you just change the quality like that. if you always stick to the rules of theory you end up with a bunch of happy bouncy tunes.

i do stuff like C5, F Major, G Dom 7, C5, Bb Major, Eb Major the first three chords are C major and the last are C minor. but you can make this work cuz of the C5 gives it has dual tonality. it has a happy happy sad sad feel in this progression.

take LIOG, the first chorus is really bouncy and happy, then that second part with the Am starts to turn the song a little more somber. ok i quit now. ask again if you want more explanation.

[Appfro]

i know what dissonense is. my question is how can you change the key momentarily (mainly for my songwriting purposes) and not have it sound like an American Idol Kelly Clarkson Key change. subtle ya know.

[fatjack]

i do stuff like C5, F Major, G Dom 7, C5, Bb Major, Eb Major the first three chords are C major and the last are C minor. but you can make this work cuz of the C5 gives it has dual tonality. it has a happy happy sad sad feel in this progression.

wouldn't that be a LACK of tonality rather than a dual tonality? something like #9 chords have dual tonality.

and you just mentioned the only good use for a power chord