The official help praisedave learn phunkified thread.

[Brock]

Giving you alternative songs and techniques to learn so that you can eventually build up to the more difficult technique that you expect to be able to learn without a proper foundation is most certainly advice. It's just not what you wanted to hear.

i did not ask which kinds of techniques/songs would lay a good base for what i was looking to learn. i only asked for advice on the aforementioned techniques, as i said before. here, a simplified example: if you were a newb and asked me how to get a full sound from a barre chord (not much to it i know, but play along ) and i said: "ive heard the stuff you've posted, and you are not good enough, you need to get better at powerchords." thats not the information you were looking for. for all i know you own powerchords. so you say "thats not really the path i wanted to take" and then you get 4 pages of "im a more experienced guitarist, listen to me" and "if you're not gonna listen i dont know how we can help you" and a reputation for not listening to advice. they didnt help me with what i asked for. they gave me wonderful advice on how i wasnt ready to play it. but i was and i did. all i wanted was some help with the techniques that i hadnt been experienced with yet, and i didnt, and dont feel that ive gotten it. all im sayin is that i dont appreciate people telling me that i disregard the advice of my "guitar superiors" (which they are) when their advice, imo, was not going to get me to where i wanted to be.

That example is not even remotely analogous. A barre chord can be played by just about anyone- no prior knowledge is necessary, it just takes practice.

Let's take a similar example. Let's say a person wanted help learning to play Warehouse. They didn't understand the tab on the site because they've never learned how to mute. Now, since Warehouse relies on muting quite extensively, then any guitarist would recommend some easier songs that would help the person gain competency with muting. If they responded with "I DON'T WANT TO LEARN ANYTHING ELSE, I JUST WNAT TO PLAY WARESHSOUFOE1!!!!!"... well, then I think you can see where I'm going with this.

[JazzBassist114]

I'm gonna try to stay unbiased here, and analyze what i've seen in this thread. Andy is right, on one hand. not a whole lot of advice OTHER THAN try to work up to it was given. However, this (according to a lot of people) was good advice. Personally, as a relatively skilled bassist who can slap well, I don't see where fingerpicking relates to slap other than in finger strength/speed. I think that there was a misunderstanding somewhere, and someone took offense, which led to others being offended and it kind of spiraled out of control. I don't think that the advice given can be related to playing warehouse by working up to it with easier muting. i don't think that.... warehouse:mutes::phunkdified:fingerpicking. I think that slap is a different technique, but i could be wrong. Now i'm just babbling, so thats it, but i think if someone could explain VERY CLEARLY how fingerpicking and slap are related, a lot of conflict would be resolved. Thanks for listening!

[MWR]

You mentioned in the other thread that you can't sing so you want to focus on intrumentals right?
All I know is that you underestimate what it takes to go down that path. My advice would have been readily accepted by someone who has respect for what it is they're trying to accomplish but you threw it aside. I'll also point out that your recordings before phunkdified were not good. It was almost like you were hustling us. We were giving advice based on what we had heard. Forgive us if we didn't get the right impression from the genius that was Acoustiplosion.

My worry is that you're getting preoccupied with this kind of playing too early. In the midst of learning where to put this finger and the nagging desire to play faster than you should, you're not learning about the very essence of music: to groove and get spiritual.

[mangold]

Giving you alternative songs and techniques to learn so that you can eventually build up to the more difficult technique that you expect to be able to learn without a proper foundation is most certainly advice. It's just not what you wanted to hear.

i did not ask which kinds of techniques/songs would lay a good base for what i was looking to learn. i only asked for advice on the aforementioned techniques, as i said before. here, a simplified example: if you were a newb and asked me how to get a full sound from a barre chord (not much to it i know, but play along ) and i said: "ive heard the stuff you've posted, and you are not good enough, you need to get better at powerchords." thats not the information you were looking for. for all i know you own powerchords. so you say "thats not really the path i wanted to take" and then you get 4 pages of "im a more experienced guitarist, listen to me" and "if you're not gonna listen i dont know how we can help you" and a reputation for not listening to advice. they didnt help me with what i asked for. they gave me wonderful advice on how i wasnt ready to play it. but i was and i did. all i wanted was some help with the techniques that i hadnt been experienced with yet, and i didnt, and dont feel that ive gotten it. all im sayin is that i dont appreciate people telling me that i disregard the advice of my "guitar superiors" (which they are) when their advice, imo, was not going to get me to where i wanted to be.

That example is not even remotely analogous. A barre chord can be played by just about anyone- no prior knowledge is necessary, it just takes practice.

Let's take a similar example. Let's say a person wanted help learning to play Warehouse. They didn't understand the tab on the site because they've never learned how to mute. Now, since Warehouse relies on muting quite extensively, then any guitarist would recommend some easier songs that would help the person gain competency with muting. If they responded with "I DON'T WANT TO LEARN ANYTHING ELSE, I JUST WNAT TO PLAY WARESHSOUFOE1!!!!!"... well, then I think you can see where I'm going with this.

alright, fair enough with the barre thing it is too easy. but i believe your analogy is flawed as well. you see, muting is one technique that is in many songs, and anyone could recomend any numberof songs for this person to use to get better at muting. nobody gave me easier slapping or tapping songs. they gave me one fingerpicking song. fingerpicking is only related to slap/pop and tapping in that they dont use a pick. it was implied that i could not learn to slap pop or tap without knowing this. im still a fairly poor fingerpicker. yet, i now play many things, and improvise slap. i also have tapping down. (just not the king speed quite yet) clearly fingerpicking was not a necessary skill as muting would be in warehouse,

along withthe muting analogy, lets try this. somebody wants to learn jeremy (pearl jam) and is having trouble with the harmonics. someone then suggests that the individual needs to be better at muting to play harmonics. are the techniques similar? yes they both use your right hand over the fretboard while not pressing down, but it is very likely that someone can play flawless harmonics and be a poor muter (especially if you consider chords like the nature chord) the techniques seem similar, but in the end they are not mutually exclusive.

[JazzBassist114]

You mentioned in the other thread that you can't sing so you want to focus on intrumentals right?
All I know is that you underestimate what it takes to go down that path. My advice would have been readily accepted by someone who has respect for what it is they're trying to accomplish but you threw it aside. I'll also point out that your recordings before phunkdified were not good. It was almost like you were hustling us. We were giving advice based on what we had heard. Forgive us if we didn't get the right impression from the genius that was Acoustiplosion.

My worry is that you're getting preoccupied with this kind of playing too early. In the midst of learning where to put this finger and the nagging desire to play faster than you should, you're not learning about the very essence of music: to groove and get spiritual.

ooh...a shot below the belt

[Beauford33]

did you not see the neon suggestion. If played right, you are slapping the bass note. and playing a pretty synchopated rythm.

[mangold]

You mentioned in the other thread that you can't sing so you want to focus on intrumentals right?
All I know is that you underestimate what it takes to go down that path. My advice would have been readily accepted by someone who has respect for what it is they're trying to accomplish but you threw it aside. I'll also point out that your recordings before phunkdified were not good. It was almost like you were hustling us. We were giving advice based on what we had heard. Forgive us if we didn't get the right impression from the genius that was Acoustiplosion.

My worry is that you're getting preoccupied with this kind of playing too early. In the midst of learning where to put this finger and the nagging desire to play faster than you should, you're not learning about the very essence of music: to groove and get spiritual.

see, i dont blame you, but thats the problem. you assumed that my recordings were perfect examples of my playing skill. and that is not so. i seem to play less better when recording and i get preoccupied with layering and making some big production.

i do have respect for the amount of effort and skill that goes into being an instrumental artist (not that i plan to be, this is a hobby) but that was not the subject of this thread. i appreciate you worrying that i was taking this on too fast, and that comment probably would have been better recieved if it had been paired with some technical advice.

i feel as though i do have a grasp of groovin. but i feel like i will be made fun of if i post some of the easier stuff ive written. ever since gravedigger i feel like ive been tryin to prove myself to you guys.

acoustiplosion was damn genius!

i light of remembering acoustiplosion, i would like to thank everybody on this site for all the help they've given me since i began here 8 months ago. thanks to you guys i believe ive improved alot (acoustiplosion was the best i had to offer at that point!)

[mangold]

did you not see the neon suggestion. If played right, you are slapping the bass note. and playing a pretty synchopated rythm.

i saw it, and played it, and felt no closer to my goal. despite what you seem to believe (and maybe justifiedly so from my gravedigger cover) i do have rythm.

[Beauford33]

if you keep making excuses why you dont play well in your recordings (which is our only way of hearing you) then you are only kidding yourself.

[mangold]

if you keep making excuses why you dont play well in your recordings (which is our only way of hearing you) then you are only kidding yourself.

i know thats your only way of hearing me and i dont believe its a fair assessment of anyone that records.

[JazzBassist114]

I keep feeling ignored.

anyway, i've heard him, and he's right, he plays pretty damn well. i don't know if its as good as all y'all claim to be (not that you're not, i've heard some goddam good recordings on here), but he's a pretty damn good guitarist, except when he records

[mangold]

you dont need to vouch for me (although i appreciate it) they wont believe you anymore than me.

everybody, matt needs attention, hes feeling ignored

[JazzBassist114]

its true....

sad but true....

[Beauford33]

did you not see the neon suggestion. If played right, you are slapping the bass note. and playing a pretty synchopated rythm.

i saw it, and played it, and felt no closer to my goal. despite what you seem to believe (and maybe justifiedly so from my gravedigger cover) i do have rythm.

I want to hear you playing it. Whether it is through AIM or a recording.

[MWR]

The point was not to diss your early efforts if that's how it came across. I certainly have a few recordings like that. But this is the world of the internet and all we have to go off of is what you share.

Post that simpler stuff. I'd like to hear something with open chords and a simple rhythm. Make that listenable and you're grooving.