The official help praisedave learn phunkified thread.

[mangold]

I'm gonna give the same advice as MWR...you need to walk first man. It's great that you're trying to better yourself, but this isn't the song to do it. When you can play something like Classical Gas perfectly, without any hangups then you might begin to start thinking about this song. There's a lot out there in between where you're at (I've listened to a cover or two) and Justin King. Work up to it.

i agree, but classical gas is a completely different style, one that i am not particularly interested in... if anybody has some easier slap pop stuff for guitar, please pass it my way! im about | | this close to gettin slap pop bass tabs and workin on learnin them on the guitar. being able to play this song is not as important to me as being able to play slap/pop.

See, that's the whole point...you don't get it. You can't just step up to this technique. The other guy said he's been doing it a year! And it's not close to perfect! There is a lot of cross-over in something like classical gas to what Justin King does. Yes, you're adding in some slapping and popping, but the finger speed needed to play classical gas gives a much better foundation that what you've got now. You're trying to read War and Peace without being able to read Go Dog Go first.

well, i can sorta play classical gas, but its with a pick, so thats not really helpin me.

you guys are gonna yell at me and tell me im not listening but i am...
i dont see how learning to fingerpick is going to help me with the slap/pop. both techniques encourage and practice right hand fingerspeed. and i dont even have to learn this song. i just want to get good at slap pop and i cannot see how practicing these fingerpicking songs is going to get me there. you can say that finger picking is a better foundation for the slap/pop, and it may be, but if some new guy came to the boards and his first and only post was asking how to slap/pop, i would be surprised if people told him to learn to fingerpick. and this is probably my fault, i led you guys in the wrong direction by saying that i wanted to learn phunkified, because that song DOES require tremendous fingerpicking skill.

i dont want to argue i just want help... and you telling me that i cant do it , i should go learn something else that doesnt interest me, is not help.

Seriously. Do you know how much finger picking Justin King does in the video? It's not all slapping...and I know from hearing your covers you are nowhere near ready to play anything like that.

EDIT: We ARE helping you. We've given you a path to follow to get where you want to be. You just don't want to believe that it's not something you can just pick up and learn over the course of a couple months. You have to open your eyes here man. The fact that you say you don't see how fingerpicking will help you alone shows your ass on this one.

did you even read my comment? i know that the song has lots of fingerpicking in it. but im not interested in that section of the song... and i dont see how me not understanding something makes me an ass...
there is no finger picking in the slap pop section of the song... every note is either a slap, pop, or a twelth fret harmonic, and as i said, thats the only part of the song im interested in.

I'm not all that interested in running several miles a day, and superficially, running has nothing to do with flying a fixed wing jet aircraft, which is my ultimate goal. Except for the fact that the endurance and strengthening of my heart and lungs may help me not pass out when I'm in a multiple-G dive someday. Get it? You're seeing the finished picture, and not how the pieces fit together. Just because something isn't exactly your end goal doesn't mean that it won't help you get there, and get there quicker.

I still think you don't have the slightest clue as to how to go about this, but proceed as you wish.

I just wanted to post to clarify that I didn't call you an ass. I said you were showing your ass. Meaning looking like you don't know what you're doing.

okay, the analogy, while probably apt (i dont know the first thing about airplanes) doesnt really help me, it just says in a different way that i need to know fingerpicking to play slap/pop. i still dont understand why. this is probably my fault, but telling me over and over again that i need to know how to fingerpick doesnt explain why. i am a person that needs to know what techniques i will be able to transfer from fingerpicking to slap pop, and why those techniques cannot be learned from just teaching myself slap/pop. i am sorry im frustrating to help out, but the only advice ive gotten here so far is "learn fingerpicking" and "give up". the only person that gave me the kind of advice i was looking for was that guy with towelie as his av, i dont remember his name.

Say slap/pop again motherfucker...I dare ya! Say slap/pop again!!



First off I'm not looking for apologies just some humility.

Do you ever read about the guitar? Music? If you did you would know that the central concept is slow and in control. This not only applys to getting better it's also just about basic health and longevity.
The main thing that prevents people from getting better, particularly begginners, is excess tension. When you frist start to learn a new technique, chord, stretch, lick, whatever, the tension factor in your body/brain is at maximum . If you're practicing correctly the tension starts to subside, your comfort level increases, and your playing sounds better. If, however, you attempt something too difficult or too haphazardly the tension will lock itself in. Too much of this "locked in" tension will severely inhibit your ability to progress and will probably make you regress.
You have to remember that playing an instrument is a physical action. We are not all that different from athletes. If you tried to run a marathon and you hadn't yet conditioned yourself you could easily drop dead. Carpel tunnel isn't quite as bad but if you're passionate about making music it sure is close.
I know you're thinking "what does this have to do with slap/pop?" and to that I say shut the hell up and believe us when we say you should start on something more rudimentary. If you don't understand why I and everyone else thinks it's a bad place to start than I will assume you're mildly retarded and thus will not waste any more of my time.
I'm sorry if you don't understand it. Part of being a newb is trusting the advice you get from reputable and more experianced sources even if you don't understand it.

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im jk with chu mike.
fine ill trust you, what the hell!
although i dont think im mildly retarded.
i feel like moving from where i am now to this sort of technique is the same sort of jump i made from NEVER having played guitar to playing dave. hes got some of the most difficult mainstream guitar music out there. i never took lessons. i never played "mary had a little lamb". The only easier stuff ive taken the time to learn how to play is some oasis and some jack johnson, and i learned them after i could play alot of dave. the first song i could play all the way through was SMTS. did this encourage bad technique? maybe. i still do all the slides in WWUS with my index finger. but i can play it. i can play it just as well as the next guy. thats how i teach myself things. i sit down and i practice and i practice and i practice until i can do it. i saw no reason for that method not to work with this tehnique as well.
but like i said mike, you're one of, if not the best player on these boards. i will trust you because you know what you're talking about.


and oh yeah: SLAP POP

[Matty Boom]

dave's music is not very difficult to play, let's get that straight

[Swe dmbfan]

dave's music is not very difficult to play, let's get that straight

it can be matty if you are new..

but do i dont think you need 5 "help me play guitar threads".
the only thing you should do is play your god damn guitar 5 hours everyday until you got it.

[Matty Boom]

dave's music is not very difficult to play, let's get that straight

it can be matty if you are new..

but do i dont think you need 5 "help me play guitar threads".
the only thing you should do is play your god damn guitar 5 hours everyday until you got it.

sure, dave music can be difficult if you're new...but if you think dave music is difficult, you really shouldn't be trying to play some super advanced shit

[mangold]

dave is probably the most difficult mainstream music today. yes there are tons of bands with more difficult stuff, but how many of them are on the radio? and i began playin his stuff right out od the gate. i can play all of his stuff now, but when i was new, a song like tripping billies was like an insurmountable mountain

[mangold]

dave's music is not very difficult to play, let's get that straight

it can be matty if you are new..

but do i dont think you need 5 "help me play guitar threads".
the only thing you should do is play your god damn guitar 5 hours everyday until you got it.

[Matty Boom]

dave is probably the most difficult mainstream music today. yes there are tons of bands with more difficult stuff, but how many of them are on the radio? and i began playin his stuff right out od the gate

a large portion of mainstream music today isn't good enough to lick the sweat from my nuts after a long jog, by the way...so it really doesn't matter if dave is the most difficult or isn't (which he isn't, once you adapt to his style)

and the mainstream music today isn't even comparable to what justin king was playing in that video

bottom line, get the skills needed to play songs like that before you decide to try and learn it and it'll just click when you're ready

[Swe dmbfan]

dave's music is not very difficult to play, let's get that straight

it can be matty if you are new..

but do i dont think you need 5 "help me play guitar threads".
the only thing you should do is play your god damn guitar 5 hours everyday until you got it.

sure, dave music can be difficult if you're new...but if you think dave music is difficult, you really shouldn't be trying to play some super advanced shit

i agree!

[mangold]

dave is probably the most difficult mainstream music today. yes there are tons of bands with more difficult stuff, but how many of them are on the radio? and i began playin his stuff right out od the gate

a large portion of mainstream music today isn't good enough to lick the sweat from my nuts after a long jog, by the way...so it really doesn't matter if dave is the most difficult or isn't (which he isn't, once you adapt to his style)

and the mainstream music today isn't even comparable to what justin king was playing in that video

bottom line, get the skills needed to play songs like that before you decide to try and learn it and it'll just click when you're ready

i completely agree. mainstrem music today for the most part blows swollen monkey nuts. and i have admitted that the king song is to much to bite off in its entirety. thats why i tried to focus on the slap section, but that gave mike an anger induced seizure. apparently im not permitted to adapt my question based on information ive been given! ive almost got the slap section down pat though, and ive developed a thing where i took a fingerpick from a banjo and sanded it down to make it thinner so its stuck to my index finger and it allows me to strum normally and flatpick inbetween slappin. im happy cause i feel like ive developed my own style that is influenced by music that interests me! once i get good and come up with an original (cause theres not alot of music for that type of playin) ill post some stuff. thanks for the help guys.

[MWR]

I'm gonna give the same advice as MWR...you need to walk first man. It's great that you're trying to better yourself, but this isn't the song to do it. When you can play something like Classical Gas perfectly, without any hangups then you might begin to start thinking about this song. There's a lot out there in between where you're at (I've listened to a cover or two) and Justin King. Work up to it.

i agree, but classical gas is a completely different style, one that i am not particularly interested in... if anybody has some easier slap pop stuff for guitar, please pass it my way! im about | | this close to gettin slap pop bass tabs and workin on learnin them on the guitar. being able to play this song is not as important to me as being able to play slap/pop.

See, that's the whole point...you don't get it. You can't just step up to this technique. The other guy said he's been doing it a year! And it's not close to perfect! There is a lot of cross-over in something like classical gas to what Justin King does. Yes, you're adding in some slapping and popping, but the finger speed needed to play classical gas gives a much better foundation that what you've got now. You're trying to read War and Peace without being able to read Go Dog Go first.

well, i can sorta play classical gas, but its with a pick, so thats not really helpin me.

you guys are gonna yell at me and tell me im not listening but i am...
i dont see how learning to fingerpick is going to help me with the slap/pop. both techniques encourage and practice right hand fingerspeed. and i dont even have to learn this song. i just want to get good at slap pop and i cannot see how practicing these fingerpicking songs is going to get me there. you can say that finger picking is a better foundation for the slap/pop, and it may be, but if some new guy came to the boards and his first and only post was asking how to slap/pop, i would be surprised if people told him to learn to fingerpick. and this is probably my fault, i led you guys in the wrong direction by saying that i wanted to learn phunkified, because that song DOES require tremendous fingerpicking skill.

i dont want to argue i just want help... and you telling me that i cant do it , i should go learn something else that doesnt interest me, is not help.

Seriously. Do you know how much finger picking Justin King does in the video? It's not all slapping...and I know from hearing your covers you are nowhere near ready to play anything like that.

EDIT: We ARE helping you. We've given you a path to follow to get where you want to be. You just don't want to believe that it's not something you can just pick up and learn over the course of a couple months. You have to open your eyes here man. The fact that you say you don't see how fingerpicking will help you alone shows your ass on this one.

did you even read my comment? i know that the song has lots of fingerpicking in it. but im not interested in that section of the song... and i dont see how me not understanding something makes me an ass...
there is no finger picking in the slap pop section of the song... every note is either a slap, pop, or a twelth fret harmonic, and as i said, thats the only part of the song im interested in.

I'm not all that interested in running several miles a day, and superficially, running has nothing to do with flying a fixed wing jet aircraft, which is my ultimate goal. Except for the fact that the endurance and strengthening of my heart and lungs may help me not pass out when I'm in a multiple-G dive someday. Get it? You're seeing the finished picture, and not how the pieces fit together. Just because something isn't exactly your end goal doesn't mean that it won't help you get there, and get there quicker.

I still think you don't have the slightest clue as to how to go about this, but proceed as you wish.

I just wanted to post to clarify that I didn't call you an ass. I said you were showing your ass. Meaning looking like you don't know what you're doing.

okay, the analogy, while probably apt (i dont know the first thing about airplanes) doesnt really help me, it just says in a different way that i need to know fingerpicking to play slap/pop. i still dont understand why. this is probably my fault, but telling me over and over again that i need to know how to fingerpick doesnt explain why. i am a person that needs to know what techniques i will be able to transfer from fingerpicking to slap pop, and why those techniques cannot be learned from just teaching myself slap/pop. i am sorry im frustrating to help out, but the only advice ive gotten here so far is "learn fingerpicking" and "give up". the only person that gave me the kind of advice i was looking for was that guy with towelie as his av, i dont remember his name.

Say slap/pop again motherfucker...I dare ya! Say slap/pop again!!



First off I'm not looking for apologies just some humility.

Do you ever read about the guitar? Music? If you did you would know that the central concept is slow and in control. This not only applys to getting better it's also just about basic health and longevity.
The main thing that prevents people from getting better, particularly begginners, is excess tension. When you frist start to learn a new technique, chord, stretch, lick, whatever, the tension factor in your body/brain is at maximum . If you're practicing correctly the tension starts to subside, your comfort level increases, and your playing sounds better. If, however, you attempt something too difficult or too haphazardly the tension will lock itself in. Too much of this "locked in" tension will severely inhibit your ability to progress and will probably make you regress.
You have to remember that playing an instrument is a physical action. We are not all that different from athletes. If you tried to run a marathon and you hadn't yet conditioned yourself you could easily drop dead. Carpel tunnel isn't quite as bad but if you're passionate about making music it sure is close.
I know you're thinking "what does this have to do with slap/pop?" and to that I say shut the hell up and believe us when we say you should start on something more rudimentary. If you don't understand why I and everyone else thinks it's a bad place to start than I will assume you're mildly retarded and thus will not waste any more of my time.
I'm sorry if you don't understand it. Part of being a newb is trusting the advice you get from reputable and more experianced sources even if you don't understand it.

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im jk with chu mike.
fine ill trust you, what the hell!
although i dont think im mildly retarded.
i feel like moving from where i am now to this sort of technique is the same sort of jump i made from NEVER having played guitar to playing dave. hes got some of the most difficult mainstream guitar music out there. i never took lessons. i never played "mary had a little lamb". The only easier stuff ive taken the time to learn how to play is some oasis and some jack johnson, and i learned them after i could play alot of dave. the first song i could play all the way through was SMTS. did this encourage bad technique? maybe. i still do all the slides in WWUS with my index finger. but i can play it. i can play it just as well as the next guy. thats how i teach myself things. i sit down and i practice and i practice and i practice until i can do it. i saw no reason for that method not to work with this tehnique as well.
but like i said mike, you're one of, if not the best player on these boards. i will trust you because you know what you're talking about.


and oh yeah: SLAP POP

This is where that whole humility thing comes into play. I highly doubt you can play Dave just as well as the next guy. There are people here that have Dave's style down to a science and from what you've shared you are not even close. You don't play anywhere near as percussively as you should which immediately puts you behind a slew of people who can listen and understand that that's a vital ingrediant.
The reason why I'm taking the time to help you is because you need it. I'm not talking about giving advice on where to put your finger and when. I rarely give advice about the mechanics of playing. There are plenty of books, post's, articles that cover this. I'm more about helping people attain the right mindset. This is a mind game more than anything. Django Reinhardt is the perfect example. How do you explain his ability to play just as good or better after losing two of his fretteing hand fingers?
Anyway, you need to ask yourself how far you want to take it. If you envision yourself becoming a bona fied musician than you need to learn how to be more self critical and start thinking outside the box. You've shared a few mediocre recordings and yet you put yourself on the same level as "the next guy". That doesn't make you look arrogant it makes you look like a simpleton.

[Speenis]

I love posts that ask for help on something when they don't even give the artists name in the original post.

[Beauford33]

I dont think you are as good as you like to think you are judging from your recordings.

[Speenis]

A little point that I like to believe that I gathered from a few post is....


We dont think you are as good as you like to think you are judging from your recordings.

That claim is outrageous BK. I think you are the only one that believes that.

[Beauford33]

A little point that I like to believe that I gathered from a few post is....


We dont think you are as good as you like to think you are judging from your recordings.

That claim is outrageous BK. I think you are the only one that believes that.

I edit

[onid41]

what kind of picks does dave use???E?!!!