Ask Fatjack

This is the place to talk about guitar playing not done by Dave! Topics about techniques, styles, theory, and other guitarists go here.

Moderators: onid41, jkanter

MWR
DMBTabs.com Authority
Posts: 2085
Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2003 3:28 pm
Location: Anytown, USA

Unread post by MWR » Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:20 pm

two_stepper10 wrote:Jeffro...to short answer when you asked how to know what chords fit together well when you write, there is a method called the three chord theory. Deals with finding the I, IV, V chords from the one you are starting with and those are the ones that will go together nicely. Im sure Fatjack can help you out on aim, just figured I'd throw in my knowlegde. You could always search the web for that and I'm sure you'd be able to find something, or free feel to aim me as well if you want more explanation! :D
The I, IV, and V chords will also be the most predictable. Although you can use that idea in key changing situations. The V7 will always have the srongest push back to I. So you can play the V7 of the key you want to be in and then the I of the new key. It makes key changes a lot smoother.

User avatar
johnnyd
DMBTabs.com Regular
Posts: 212
Joined: Thu Oct 09, 2003 1:10 pm
Location: Just North of Detroit

Unread post by johnnyd » Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:51 pm

OK, I've got one for you: Lets say for example I'm in the key of G.
Would D mixolydian which I believe would be the modal scale based on the V of that key be OK to use for soloing over any of the I, IV, V chords in that key, or only when the progression is on the V chord. I'm trying to break out of the pentatonic box a little bit.

Thanks :D
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

User avatar
fatjack
DMBTabs.com Authority
Posts: 10165
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:09 am
Location: U of A
Contact:

Unread post by fatjack » Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:25 pm

johnnyd wrote:OK, I've got one for you: Lets say for example I'm in the key of G.
Would D mixolydian which I believe would be the modal scale based on the V of that key be OK to use for soloing over any of the I, IV, V chords in that key, or only when the progression is on the V chord. I'm trying to break out of the pentatonic box a little bit.

Thanks :D
it would be fine to use, because it is the same scale as G major, you just have to listen to the chord changes to know what notes sound best with what chords (that has to do with target notes, which is a whole different subject)
I'm Josh: sometimes known as Steve

User avatar
fatjack
DMBTabs.com Authority
Posts: 10165
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:09 am
Location: U of A
Contact:

Unread post by fatjack » Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:30 pm

DropD-MB wrote:Did you ever post a cover of Hopeful Heresy? And if so what is the verse tab that you used? Did you use the one TimReynolds.com?
I having trouble with the second lick on the verse:

Code: Select all

e----------------------------------------------------
B--0-1----1--1----1-----1---0-1---3----------1-----1-
G--0------0--0----2-----2---0-------2---2----2-----2-
D----------------------------------------------------
A-------2------------3----------------2---------3----
E-----3---------1--------------3-----------1---------
--------------------------------------This part above
i didn't use the tab very much, bu that looks about right.

when i asked to field questions, i was thinking more along a theoretical/guitar tech type line. there is nothing i can do to help your technique, except tell you to listen to the song and keep practicing

btw, you wouldn't call that the verse of the song. sections of songs without lyrics are labelled with a verse, chorus, or bridge. that are labelled as section A, B, C etc.

and that avatar rocks a big one
I'm Josh: sometimes known as Steve

DropD-MB
DMBTabs.com Authority
Posts: 4920
Joined: Mon Feb 03, 2003 6:29 pm
Location: Virginia Beach,Virginia
Contact:

Unread post by DropD-MB » Thu Apr 01, 2004 5:42 pm

fatjack wrote:
DropD-MB wrote:Did you ever post a cover of Hopeful Heresy? And if so what is the verse tab that you used? Did you use the one TimReynolds.com?
I having trouble with the second lick on the verse:

Code: Select all

e----------------------------------------------------
B--0-1----1--1----1-----1---0-1---3----------1-----1-
G--0------0--0----2-----2---0-------2---2----2-----2-
D----------------------------------------------------
A-------2------------3----------------2---------3----
E-----3---------1--------------3-----------1---------
--------------------------------------This part above










i didn't use the tab very much, bu that looks about right.

when i asked to field questions, i was thinking more along a theoretical/guitar tech type line. there is nothing i can do to help your technique, except tell you to listen to the song and keep practicing

btw, you wouldn't call that the verse of the song. sections of songs without lyrics are labelled with a verse, chorus, or bridge. that are labelled as section A, B, C etc.

and that avatar rocks a big one
Hell, when does Timmy have lyrics :wink:

User avatar
DMBFan63
DMBTabs.com Authority
Posts: 4800
Joined: Sun Jun 01, 2003 6:57 am
Location: Bellmawr, NJ
Contact:

Unread post by DMBFan63 » Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:20 pm

DropD-MB wrote:
fatjack wrote:
DropD-MB wrote:Did you ever post a cover of Hopeful Heresy? And if so what is the verse tab that you used? Did you use the one TimReynolds.com?
I having trouble with the second lick on the verse:

Code: Select all

e----------------------------------------------------
B--0-1----1--1----1-----1---0-1---3----------1-----1-
G--0------0--0----2-----2---0-------2---2----2-----2-
D----------------------------------------------------
A-------2------------3----------------2---------3----
E-----3---------1--------------3-----------1---------
--------------------------------------This part above










i didn't use the tab very much, bu that looks about right.

when i asked to field questions, i was thinking more along a theoretical/guitar tech type line. there is nothing i can do to help your technique, except tell you to listen to the song and keep practicing

btw, you wouldn't call that the verse of the song. sections of songs without lyrics are labelled with a verse, chorus, or bridge. that are labelled as section A, B, C etc.

and that avatar rocks a big one
Hell, when does Timmy have lyrics :wink:
a few songs he does..
Shows Been to: 7-17-02, 12-15-03, 7-20-04, 7-5/6-05

User avatar
fatjack
DMBTabs.com Authority
Posts: 10165
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:09 am
Location: U of A
Contact:

Unread post by fatjack » Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:24 pm

DropD-MB wrote:
fatjack wrote:
DropD-MB wrote:Did you ever post a cover of Hopeful Heresy? And if so what is the verse tab that you used? Did you use the one TimReynolds.com?
I having trouble with the second lick on the verse:

Code: Select all

e----------------------------------------------------
B--0-1----1--1----1-----1---0-1---3----------1-----1-
G--0------0--0----2-----2---0-------2---2----2-----2-
D----------------------------------------------------
A-------2------------3----------------2---------3----
E-----3---------1--------------3-----------1---------
--------------------------------------This part above










i didn't use the tab very much, bu that looks about right.

when i asked to field questions, i was thinking more along a theoretical/guitar tech type line. there is nothing i can do to help your technique, except tell you to listen to the song and keep practicing

btw, you wouldn't call that the verse of the song. sections of songs without lyrics are labelled with a verse, chorus, or bridge. that are labelled as section A, B, C etc.

and that avatar rocks a big one
Hell, when does Timmy have lyrics :wink:
i never said that he did, im just saying, for songs without lyrics (like most all of timmy's), you dont refer to parts as verse, chorus, or bridge
I'm Josh: sometimes known as Steve

User avatar
Speenis
DMBTabs.com Authority
Posts: 49509
Joined: Wed Oct 02, 2002 4:07 pm
Political views: #MakeDonaldDrumpfAgain
Random movie quote to make you seem hip and "with it": Spalding.get.your.foot.off.the.boat!
Location: Cleveland

Unread post by Speenis » Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:31 pm

Josh, I got one more question for you, do you think masturbation is a thing to do, or a way of life?
hofdaddy wrote:better tie your meat curtains together Whitney. cause one sip of Speen ale will make you gush out of your vagina

User avatar
fatjack
DMBTabs.com Authority
Posts: 10165
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:09 am
Location: U of A
Contact:

Unread post by fatjack » Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:33 pm

BigSpeen3436 wrote:Josh, I got one more question for you, do you think masturbation is a thing to do, or a way of life?
it can be both, but its better if its just a thing to do
I'm Josh: sometimes known as Steve

User avatar
johnnyd
DMBTabs.com Regular
Posts: 212
Joined: Thu Oct 09, 2003 1:10 pm
Location: Just North of Detroit

Unread post by johnnyd » Thu Apr 01, 2004 9:32 pm

fatjack wrote:
johnnyd wrote:OK, I've got one for you: Lets say for example I'm in the key of G.
Would D mixolydian which I believe would be the modal scale based on the V of that key be OK to use for soloing over any of the I, IV, V chords in that key, or only when the progression is on the V chord. I'm trying to break out of the pentatonic box a little bit.

Thanks :D
it would be fine to use, because it is the same scale as G major, you just have to listen to the chord changes to know what notes sound best with what chords (that has to do with target notes, which is a whole different subject)

Gotcha, it would depend on the progression as to what the target notes are. I've been listening to guys like Wes Montgomery and Kenny Burrell lately. It's got me interested in jazz theory. It opens up a whole new world of soloing possibilities.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

User avatar
fatjack
DMBTabs.com Authority
Posts: 10165
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:09 am
Location: U of A
Contact:

Unread post by fatjack » Thu Apr 01, 2004 9:51 pm

johnnyd wrote:
fatjack wrote:
johnnyd wrote:OK, I've got one for you: Lets say for example I'm in the key of G.
Would D mixolydian which I believe would be the modal scale based on the V of that key be OK to use for soloing over any of the I, IV, V chords in that key, or only when the progression is on the V chord. I'm trying to break out of the pentatonic box a little bit.

Thanks :D
it would be fine to use, because it is the same scale as G major, you just have to listen to the chord changes to know what notes sound best with what chords (that has to do with target notes, which is a whole different subject)

Gotcha, it would depend on the progression as to what the target notes are. I've been listening to guys like Wes Montgomery and Kenny Burrell lately. It's got me interested in jazz theory. It opens up a whole new world of soloing possibilities.
the best advice i can give you is to memorize the major scale over twelve frets, then you will know every single mode
I'm Josh: sometimes known as Steve

User avatar
thejoe
DMBTabs.com Authority
Posts: 6982
Joined: Fri May 09, 2003 7:55 pm
Random movie quote to make you seem hip and "with it": You're a hooker? Jesus, I forgot! I just thought I was doing GREAT with you!
Location: Wisconsin

Unread post by thejoe » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:26 pm

fatjack wrote:
hmmm, i was actually asking something i guess you didn't know about...

are you basically looking for another guitar part that would go along with that progression? you may not realize it, but what you wrote down is harmony. chord progressions are, in themselves, harmony. if you want to harmonize further with progression, you can just do different voicings of the chords or add further tones.

yea, do that
~joe

i have 15 matty boom points, and frankly, i dont give a shit

MWR
DMBTabs.com Authority
Posts: 2085
Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2003 3:28 pm
Location: Anytown, USA

Unread post by MWR » Fri Apr 02, 2004 2:53 pm

You mind explaining "targeting" or linking to good site about it? I'm not asking for anything to in depth just the basic concept.

User avatar
fatjack
DMBTabs.com Authority
Posts: 10165
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:09 am
Location: U of A
Contact:

Unread post by fatjack » Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:36 pm

MWR wrote:You mind explaining "targeting" or linking to good site about it? I'm not asking for anything to in depth just the basic concept.
i figured you would already know about this...

anyway, targeting has to do with playing specific tones at specific times. the most common target note is the tonic, because most every other tone resolves to it.

the concept of target notes has to do with the solos relationship to the progression, melody, and other harmonies. for instance, if you are solo in a progression and a G7 comes up, a good not to target would be F because its G's b7. the concept of playing arpeggios is the exact same as target notes.

target notes usually deal with what note you end a phrase on, basically you are "targeting" a certain note to end on
I'm Josh: sometimes known as Steve

Jc
DMBTabs.com Regular
Posts: 217
Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:27 am

Unread post by Jc » Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:56 pm

So just how overweight are you, and have you considered the atkins diet?

Post Reply

Return to “General Guitar Discussion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 102 guests