Question about Song Keys

[i am sam2]

sorry to pollute the boards, but im pissed

no worries, get it all out, just message boards i dont think anyone is honestly offended deep down inside...

[fatjack]

if its a basic chording song then you can just see what chords coorespond to the notes in a chord... like if the chord progression in the song is B, D, then G than the key is G because those are the notes in a G chord.

hmmm... this harkens back to the harmonica thread when you thought you knew what you were talking about

JESUS FUCKIN CHRIST! these boards are goin to goddamn hell! how many god damn fuckin times do i have to tell you that I DID NOT MAKE THAT LIST YOU ASSWIPE. everyone accuses me of being some cocky know it all bastard, i dont claim to know much of anything outside of the fuckin instruments forum and im really fuckin tired of it. i remember when this site used to be fun. now i doublecheck everyfuckin thing i post to make sure theres not some way somebody else can take it that will offend them or give them the wrong idea of me. dont you assholes have anything better to do with your fuckin lives than come to this board and act like A GODDAMN FUCKING DOUCHEBAG to everyone you encounter to vent what i assume must be your sucky life? WHAT THE FUCK! It wouldnt fuckin kill you to have some goddamn common courtesy.

now for a moment lets ignore the rudeness and assholism that so abounds in your post and look at its content... because surely if you are gonna be that big of an asshole there must be some golden knowledge hidden in there. hmmmmm... o wait, there was nothing wrong with what i said... it appears you just wanted to bring up another thread in which i said nothing wrong in order to try and make me look like an idiot. FUCK OFF YOU GODDAMN MOTHER FUCKER. im tryin to help people, as was the goal of the harmonica thread and my post in this thread. in fact, thats the case with most of my posts, whereas with your posts the goal always seems to mock people and allude to this incredible knowledge you possess, and yet you NEVER use it to help anyone ever. either you are a seriously fucked up human being or you just act like an asshole online for no reason.

now back to the thread topic: its also a fairly good chance that whatever chord a basic song starts and ends on is the key.

there WAS something wrong with you said. a B chord is not in the key of G. that is wrong. no if ands or buts about it.

B D# F

both of the notes in bold are not in the key of G major

[fatjack]

if its a basic chording song then you can just see what chords coorespond to the notes in a chord... like if the chord progression in the song is B, D, then G than the key is G because those are the notes in a G chord.

If there's nothing challenging you technique-wise perhaps you should start learning some theory.


To answer the question there's no clear cut way to define the key. Of course a vast majority of songs will fit nicely into major or minor so you should start learning how many sharps/flats are in your guitar friendly keys. It's not really something that can be explained on a message board cause you'll undoubtedly get lots of misinformation a la Praisedave. Just start reading whatever you can.

i gave no mis-information you self-riteous douche.
and look, you gave no information. are you so above him that he doesnt deserve your knowledge? post a link or explain it. and dont give me some bullshit about you not being able to explain it because all hes gonna get in a book is text and you can type just fine right there.

edit: and oh yeah the cheap shot about my knowledge of theory is unnecessary, i dont claim to have any knowledge of theory,

then why are you answering theory related questions?

[mangold]

if its a basic chording song then you can just see what chords coorespond to the notes in a chord... like if the chord progression in the song is B, D, then G than the key is G because those are the notes in a G chord.

hmmm... this harkens back to the harmonica thread when you thought you knew what you were talking about

JESUS FUCKIN CHRIST! these boards are goin to goddamn hell! how many god damn fuckin times do i have to tell you that I DID NOT MAKE THAT LIST YOU ASSWIPE. everyone accuses me of being some cocky know it all bastard, i dont claim to know much of anything outside of the fuckin instruments forum and im really fuckin tired of it. i remember when this site used to be fun. now i doublecheck everyfuckin thing i post to make sure theres not some way somebody else can take it that will offend them or give them the wrong idea of me. dont you assholes have anything better to do with your fuckin lives than come to this board and act like A GODDAMN FUCKING DOUCHEBAG to everyone you encounter to vent what i assume must be your sucky life? WHAT THE FUCK! It wouldnt fuckin kill you to have some goddamn common courtesy.

now for a moment lets ignore the rudeness and assholism that so abounds in your post and look at its content... because surely if you are gonna be that big of an asshole there must be some golden knowledge hidden in there. hmmmmm... o wait, there was nothing wrong with what i said... it appears you just wanted to bring up another thread in which i said nothing wrong in order to try and make me look like an idiot. FUCK OFF YOU GODDAMN MOTHER FUCKER. im tryin to help people, as was the goal of the harmonica thread and my post in this thread. in fact, thats the case with most of my posts, whereas with your posts the goal always seems to mock people and allude to this incredible knowledge you possess, and yet you NEVER use it to help anyone ever. either you are a seriously fucked up human being or you just act like an asshole online for no reason.

now back to the thread topic: its also a fairly good chance that whatever chord a basic song starts and ends on is the key.

there WAS something wrong with you said. a B chord is not in the key of G. that is wrong. no if ands or buts about it.

B D# F

both of the notes in bold are not in the key of G major

what key is it in then?

and i was answering the question because i thought my answer was correct, please tell me why its not so i can avoid such slip ups in the future.

and im taking music theory next year so you only have to deal with my ignorance for another summer

[fatjack]

if its a basic chording song then you can just see what chords coorespond to the notes in a chord... like if the chord progression in the song is B, D, then G than the key is G because those are the notes in a G chord.

hmmm... this harkens back to the harmonica thread when you thought you knew what you were talking about

JESUS FUCKIN CHRIST! these boards are goin to goddamn hell! how many god damn fuckin times do i have to tell you that I DID NOT MAKE THAT LIST YOU ASSWIPE. everyone accuses me of being some cocky know it all bastard, i dont claim to know much of anything outside of the fuckin instruments forum and im really fuckin tired of it. i remember when this site used to be fun. now i doublecheck everyfuckin thing i post to make sure theres not some way somebody else can take it that will offend them or give them the wrong idea of me. dont you assholes have anything better to do with your fuckin lives than come to this board and act like A GODDAMN FUCKING DOUCHEBAG to everyone you encounter to vent what i assume must be your sucky life? WHAT THE FUCK! It wouldnt fuckin kill you to have some goddamn common courtesy.

now for a moment lets ignore the rudeness and assholism that so abounds in your post and look at its content... because surely if you are gonna be that big of an asshole there must be some golden knowledge hidden in there. hmmmmm... o wait, there was nothing wrong with what i said... it appears you just wanted to bring up another thread in which i said nothing wrong in order to try and make me look like an idiot. FUCK OFF YOU GODDAMN MOTHER FUCKER. im tryin to help people, as was the goal of the harmonica thread and my post in this thread. in fact, thats the case with most of my posts, whereas with your posts the goal always seems to mock people and allude to this incredible knowledge you possess, and yet you NEVER use it to help anyone ever. either you are a seriously fucked up human being or you just act like an asshole online for no reason.

now back to the thread topic: its also a fairly good chance that whatever chord a basic song starts and ends on is the key.

there WAS something wrong with you said. a B chord is not in the key of G. that is wrong. no if ands or buts about it.

B D# F

both of the notes in bold are not in the key of G major

what key is it in then?

and i was answering the question because i thought my answer was correct, please tell me why its not so i can avoid such slip ups in the future.

and im taking music theory next year so you only have to deal with my ignorance for another summer

the chord progression B D G fits in E minor

V III VII

[dmbguitar718]

if its a basic chording song then you can just see what chords coorespond to the notes in a chord... like if the chord progression in the song is B, D, then G than the key is G because those are the notes in a G chord.

hmmm... this harkens back to the harmonica thread when you thought you knew what you were talking about

JESUS FUCKIN CHRIST! these boards are goin to goddamn hell! how many god damn fuckin times do i have to tell you that I DID NOT MAKE THAT LIST YOU ASSWIPE. everyone accuses me of being some cocky know it all bastard, i dont claim to know much of anything outside of the fuckin instruments forum and im really fuckin tired of it. i remember when this site used to be fun. now i doublecheck everyfuckin thing i post to make sure theres not some way somebody else can take it that will offend them or give them the wrong idea of me. dont you assholes have anything better to do with your fuckin lives than come to this board and act like A GODDAMN FUCKING DOUCHEBAG to everyone you encounter to vent what i assume must be your sucky life? WHAT THE FUCK! It wouldnt fuckin kill you to have some goddamn common courtesy.

now for a moment lets ignore the rudeness and assholism that so abounds in your post and look at its content... because surely if you are gonna be that big of an asshole there must be some golden knowledge hidden in there. hmmmmm... o wait, there was nothing wrong with what i said... it appears you just wanted to bring up another thread in which i said nothing wrong in order to try and make me look like an idiot. FUCK OFF YOU GODDAMN MOTHER FUCKER. im tryin to help people, as was the goal of the harmonica thread and my post in this thread. in fact, thats the case with most of my posts, whereas with your posts the goal always seems to mock people and allude to this incredible knowledge you possess, and yet you NEVER use it to help anyone ever. either you are a seriously fucked up human being or you just act like an asshole online for no reason.

now back to the thread topic: its also a fairly good chance that whatever chord a basic song starts and ends on is the key.

there WAS something wrong with you said. a B chord is not in the key of G. that is wrong. no if ands or buts about it.

B D# F

both of the notes in bold are not in the key of G major

what key is it in then?

and i was answering the question because i thought my answer was correct, please tell me why its not so i can avoid such slip ups in the future.

and im taking music theory next year so you only have to deal with my ignorance for another summer

G Am Bm C D Em F#m

not a b, b minor.

[fatjack]

if its a basic chording song then you can just see what chords coorespond to the notes in a chord... like if the chord progression in the song is B, D, then G than the key is G because those are the notes in a G chord.

hmmm... this harkens back to the harmonica thread when you thought you knew what you were talking about

JESUS FUCKIN CHRIST! these boards are goin to goddamn hell! how many god damn fuckin times do i have to tell you that I DID NOT MAKE THAT LIST YOU ASSWIPE. everyone accuses me of being some cocky know it all bastard, i dont claim to know much of anything outside of the fuckin instruments forum and im really fuckin tired of it. i remember when this site used to be fun. now i doublecheck everyfuckin thing i post to make sure theres not some way somebody else can take it that will offend them or give them the wrong idea of me. dont you assholes have anything better to do with your fuckin lives than come to this board and act like A GODDAMN FUCKING DOUCHEBAG to everyone you encounter to vent what i assume must be your sucky life? WHAT THE FUCK! It wouldnt fuckin kill you to have some goddamn common courtesy.

now for a moment lets ignore the rudeness and assholism that so abounds in your post and look at its content... because surely if you are gonna be that big of an asshole there must be some golden knowledge hidden in there. hmmmmm... o wait, there was nothing wrong with what i said... it appears you just wanted to bring up another thread in which i said nothing wrong in order to try and make me look like an idiot. FUCK OFF YOU GODDAMN MOTHER FUCKER. im tryin to help people, as was the goal of the harmonica thread and my post in this thread. in fact, thats the case with most of my posts, whereas with your posts the goal always seems to mock people and allude to this incredible knowledge you possess, and yet you NEVER use it to help anyone ever. either you are a seriously fucked up human being or you just act like an asshole online for no reason.

now back to the thread topic: its also a fairly good chance that whatever chord a basic song starts and ends on is the key.

there WAS something wrong with you said. a B chord is not in the key of G. that is wrong. no if ands or buts about it.

B D# F

both of the notes in bold are not in the key of G major

what key is it in then?

and i was answering the question because i thought my answer was correct, please tell me why its not so i can avoid such slip ups in the future.

and im taking music theory next year so you only have to deal with my ignorance for another summer

G Am Bm C D Em F

not a b, b minor.

ahem... F#

[dmbguitar718]

aha. that's an honest mistake.

[Appfro]

http://www.ezfolk.com/guitar/Tutorials/ ... scale.html

there's a huge list at the bottom

edit:...i guess it's not a huge list. more like the list...the normal list, the only list

[dmbguitar718]

wait...fatjack, wouldn't it be an F#m? not just the notes, the harmonies

[fatjack]

http://www.ezfolk.com/guitar/Tutorials/ ... scale.html

there's a huge list at the bottom

edit:...i guess it's not a huge list. more like the list...the normal list, the only list

they are missing two keys...

C# and Cb

[mangold]

well im never comment on keys again

[fatjack]

wait...fatjack, wouldn't it be an F#m? not just the notes, the harmonies

diminished

and i just realized that i said a B chord is B D# F, its actually an F#... whoopsies

[Appfro]

http://www.geocities.com/mike_mccracker ... chords.htm

i use this site a lot. if you look through the links there's one for chords in a major key and one for chords in a minor key. since i don't know a lot of theory this helps a lot. plus it teaches beginning theory pretty decently.

i think the main thing is andy, theory is hard enough ya know? just make sure you know what you're saying before you say it. cause it's really tough and then if someone says something to you that isn't right, it just makes it 10X harder. that's pretty much why i don't respond at all to theory questions, i like to sit back and learn from josh and mwr....when it doesn't fly right over my head

[dmbguitar718]

wait...fatjack, wouldn't it be an F#m? not just the notes, the harmonies

diminished

and i just realized that i said a B chord is B D# F, its actually an F#... whoopsies

yeah, i just started diminished and augmented stuff yesterday. i did all the harmonies for the keys, but just major and minor. we're doing diminished and augmented next.