Song Keys and Their Moods

MWR · Unread post by **MWR** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 pm

slimerdmb24 wrote:
HCHaikuWarrior wrote:
fatjack wrote:
Davy28 wrote:Wow! I must have perfect pitch. I've never known what perfect pitch is until now, but I have had the ability to do what fatjack said (the whole train whistle thing) almost as long as I have been a musician for simple reason of having played every single note and in every single key so often that I can judge their pitchs by ear.

Even trickier is the ability to know perfect tone (440 hz) for every note. Even I cannot do that consistently.
i highly doubt that you have perfect pitch, and there is no way for me to believe you unless i actually witness it

and perfect pitch isn't just being able to hear what note it is, you also haer whether or not its perfectly tuned.

having perfect pitch is kind of a blessing and a curse at the same time. its cool to be able to hear so well, but from people i have met that have it, they say that when a note is even SLIGHTLY out of tune, its very annoying to them
no, i think you're just jealous that he may have it and you don't.
I too doubt it. It's not common. Not at all.

I concur, if you have it you would know it by now. Also, perfect pitch is not some holy grail among musicians and it cannot be learned. Relative pitch on the other hand can be learned and, in the context of music, it accomplishes the same thing.

Davy28 · Unread post by **Davy28** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:59 pm

If perfect pitch entails perfect tone as well, then I guess FJ is right and I do not have it. I can sometimes tell if a note is way flat or way sharp using the same method I described (using a reference point in a song I have listened to many times) but not intuitively. If I hear a train whistle it does take me several seconds to figure the pitch and tone by pure deduction.

I should also mention that perfect tone is usually only honed in perfessional singers, who become accustomed to generating perfect tone as well as perfect pitch themselves from experience without depending on tuners. People like Julie Andrews and Pavarati are examples.

Nevertheless, being able to hear pitchs and identify them is an invaluable skill that will cause you guitar abilities to grow exponentially. That is why I am often reluctant to tab out guitar parts for people that request them. I know how important honing that skill is for guitarists and want everybody to get exposure to it.

Bands love having someone like that. If you want to join a band and can hear one of their songs, know the key without much difficulty, and plow away with a solo or a lead part for the song, the band will have a much greater chance of wanting you around more.

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:16 pm

Davy28 wrote:If perfect pitch entails perfect tone as well, then I guess FJ is right and I do not have it. I can sometimes tell if a note is way flat or way sharp using the same method I described (using a reference point in a song I have listened to many times) but not intuitively. If I hear a train whistle it does take me several seconds to figure the pitch and tone by pure deduction.

thats why its not perfect pitch. people with perfect pitch dont need a reference, they are able to hear each tones individual "color" so to speak.

and you cant "hone" it. your example of those vocalists is an example of relative pitch again

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 pm

HCHaikuWarrior wrote:no, i think you're just jealous that he may have it and you don't.

do you EVER have anything to say that doesn't make you look like a crybaby?

Grandpagotgame · Unread post by **Grandpagotgame** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 pm

so do you think that most famous guitarsits, I.E. Dave, Tim, Eric Clapton, and too many more have perfect pitch?

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:29 pm

Grandpagotgame wrote:so do you think that most famous guitarsits, I.E. Dave, Tim, Eric Clapton, and too many more have perfect pitch?

i dont think either of them do

i dont remember the exact stats, but VERY few people have it. i know its rare than twins though

HCHaikuWarrior · Unread post by **HCHaikuWarrior** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:55 am

fatjack wrote:
HCHaikuWarrior wrote:no, i think you're just jealous that he may have it and you don't.
do you EVER have anything to say that doesn't make you look like a crybaby?

apparently, you missed the theme of the message.. good job :thumbsup:

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:48 am

HCHaikuWarrior wrote:
fatjack wrote:
HCHaikuWarrior wrote:no, i think you're just jealous that he may have it and you don't.
do you EVER have anything to say that doesn't make you look like a crybaby?

apparently, you missed the theme of the message.. good job

no, i got it totally: you are limped-dicked pussy who can't handle criticism (even when its not directed at you)

sunglassesatnight · Unread post by **sunglassesatnight** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:50 am

fatjack wrote:
HCHaikuWarrior wrote:
fatjack wrote:
HCHaikuWarrior wrote:no, i think you're just jealous that he may have it and you don't.
do you EVER have anything to say that doesn't make you look like a crybaby?

apparently, you missed the theme of the message.. good job
no, i got it totally: you are limped-dicked pussy who can't handle criticism (even when its not directed at you)

Very well put. Very well put.

HCHaikuWarrior · Unread post by **HCHaikuWarrior** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:37 pm

fatjack wrote:
HCHaikuWarrior wrote:
fatjack wrote:
HCHaikuWarrior wrote:no, i think you're just jealous that he may have it and you don't.
do you EVER have anything to say that doesn't make you look like a crybaby?

apparently, you missed the theme of the message.. good job
no, i got it totally: you are limped-dicked pussy who can't handle criticism (even when its not directed at you)

woah, absolutely no relation towards the topic at all...

i'm rather content with my penis size...dunno about you

i think you're one of those people who try to bring down other's because you're sensitive about a possible diminished package.

You_Enjoy_Myself · Unread post by **You_Enjoy_Myself** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:02 pm

HCHaikuWarrior wrote:
fatjack wrote:
HCHaikuWarrior wrote:
fatjack wrote:
HCHaikuWarrior wrote:no, i think you're just jealous that he may have it and you don't.
do you EVER have anything to say that doesn't make you look like a crybaby?

apparently, you missed the theme of the message.. good job
no, i got it totally: you are limped-dicked pussy who can't handle criticism (even when its not directed at you)
woah, absolutely no relation towards the topic at all...

i'm rather content with my penis size...dunno about you

i think you're one of those people who try to bring down other's because you're sensitive about a possible diminished package.

He never questioned the size of your penis, only the rigidity :lol:

Grandpagotgame · Unread post by **Grandpagotgame** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:33 pm

guys get back on song keys, does anyone have anything enlightening at all to say about them?

littlefriend · Unread post by **littlefriend** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:50 pm

Hehe. Paul Schaffer has perfect pitch. It's an ignorant staement, I know, but he doesn't look like he would.

More about Perfect Pitch.

MWR · Unread post by **MWR** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:33 pm

Grandpagotgame wrote:guys get back on song keys, does anyone have anything enlightening at all to say about them?

I'll add my 2 cents on the topic.

In general I agree with Fatjack and Shane. Different keys based off the same scale are relative and don't imply any intrinsic quality or mood.
That's not to say it's wrong to think that way, there are plenty of songwriters who relate keys with mood. Back in the day flat keys were associated with hell while sharp keys were associated with heaven. E major was considered the most divine key because it was the sharpest in common use at the time.

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:43 pm

You_Enjoy_Myself wrote:
HCHaikuWarrior wrote:
fatjack wrote:
HCHaikuWarrior wrote:
fatjack wrote:
HCHaikuWarrior wrote:no, i think you're just jealous that he may have it and you don't.
do you EVER have anything to say that doesn't make you look like a crybaby?

apparently, you missed the theme of the message.. good job
no, i got it totally: you are limped-dicked pussy who can't handle criticism (even when its not directed at you)
woah, absolutely no relation towards the topic at all...

i'm rather content with my penis size...dunno about you

i think you're one of those people who try to bring down other's because you're sensitive about a possible diminished package.
He never questioned the size of your penis, only the rigidity

exactly, learn to read dumbfuck

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