mayer or harper

DMBFan63 · Unread post by **DMBFan63** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:40 am

How is it possible for this poll it be 18% for mayer and 81% for harper? that's only 99%!

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:42 am

DMBFan63 wrote:How is it possible for this poll it be 18% for mayer and 81% for harper? that's only 99%!

maybe the boards programming cant handle decimals too well

DMBFan63 · Unread post by **DMBFan63** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:42 am

How is it possible for this poll it be 18% for mayer and 81% for harper? that's only 99%!

mbgreen · Unread post by **mbgreen** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 12:47 pm

Here's my extended take on just about anyone versus Mayer. Mayer knows his theory. Yawn. He has no passion behind his music. I think a lot of people get caught up in theory and worry about the mechanics of the music more than the actual finished project. Its like being the structural engineer versus the architect. People arent touched by a great structural design. They remember a beautiful building. To me, Mayer seems to be writing music just for the sake of writing music. Theory-wise, its really sound, and actually impressive. There's no emotion behind what hes doing though, at least in my eyes. He's a musician, and not much of an artist.

Ben is an artist. He can take the most simple progression and make something beautiful out of it...the guy figuratively bleeds on stage. Mayer, in my opinion, has a lot to learn about being an artist, regardless of his knowledge of theory.

Oh, and Ben still has funk.

avilla · Unread post by **avilla** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:07 pm

If you want to look at this as a pure who can play a guitar better, then John is far better...The guitar until recently was never really the focus of Ben's music. Ben is always going to be remembered for playing the Weissenborn (lap slide). If you compare Ben and his weissenborn to John and his guitar then its a matter of personal preference because they're two different instruments. I would agree with who it was that said that Ben writes simple songs for the acoustic, but you cannot say that Ben's Music in general is simple. If you play the guitar then you have to be able to appreciate the rediculous melodies Ben can play and then sing over. Ben is easily the more musically diverse artist of the two. If you go to a Ben show you will hear hard rock songs, quiet acoustic, funk, reggae, and folk. Having seen both of them live, Ben puts on a much more satisfying and fun concert. Also Ben could beat John Mayer up.

Ando · Unread post by **Ando** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:19 pm

mbgreen wrote:Here's my extended take on just about anyone versus Mayer. Mayer knows his theory. Yawn. He has no passion behind his music. I think a lot of people get caught up in theory and worry about the mechanics of the music more than the actual finished project. Its like being the structural engineer versus the architect. People arent touched by a great structural design. They remember a beautiful building. To me, Mayer seems to be writing music just for the sake of writing music. Theory-wise, its really sound, and actually impressive. There's no emotion behind what hes doing though, at least in my eyes. He's a musician, and not much of an artist.

Ben is an artist. He can take the most simple progression and make something beautiful out of it...the guy figuratively bleeds on stage. Mayer, in my opinion, has a lot to learn about being an artist, regardless of his knowledge of theory.

Oh, and Ben still has funk.

That is a really damn good explanation...

I agree

Jay · Unread post by **Jay** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:47 pm

fatjack wrote:
gcom007 wrote:harper's cool, but he's not half the musician mayer is, he writes a good song here and there but it's simple, basic stuff...mayer's got the goods whether you like his lyrics or not.
indeed

armed with all the theory and technical skills in the world, mayer is still light years behind matthews and harper because music is not a science, it's an art. a good artist can write a better song on intuition than a good theorist can ever touch, and matthews and harper have that in spades....mayer seems to have left that in his lunchbox.

to me, hearing mayer masturbate with his guitar is not interesting...i don't care how brilliant he technally is. his lyrics are cliche and his singing makes them physically painful. as a lead guitarrist in a band where someone else does the writing and the singing he'd be incredible, but that's not the whole package.

plus he's a fuckin dickhead. and he has stupid hair.

Ando · Unread post by **Ando** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:54 pm

Jay wrote:
fatjack wrote:
gcom007 wrote:harper's cool, but he's not half the musician mayer is, he writes a good song here and there but it's simple, basic stuff...mayer's got the goods whether you like his lyrics or not.
indeed
armed with all the theory and technical skills in the world, mayer is still light years behind matthews and harper because music is not a science, it's an art. a good artist can write a better song on intuition than a good theorist can ever touch, and matthews and harper have that in spades....mayer seems to have left that in his lunchbox.

to me, hearing mayer masturbate with his guitar is not interesting...i don't care how brilliant he technally is. his lyrics are cliche and his singing makes them physically painful. as a lead guitarrist in a band where someone else does the writing and the singing he'd be incredible, but that's not the whole package.

plus he's a fuckin dickhead. and he has stupid hair.

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:55 pm

Jay wrote:
fatjack wrote:
gcom007 wrote:harper's cool, but he's not half the musician mayer is, he writes a good song here and there but it's simple, basic stuff...mayer's got the goods whether you like his lyrics or not.
indeed
armed with all the theory and technical skills in the world, mayer is still light years behind matthews and harper because music is not a science, it's an art. a good artist can write a better song on intuition than a good theorist can ever touch, and matthews and harper have that in spades....mayer seems to have left that in his lunchbox.

to me, hearing mayer masturbate with his guitar is not interesting...i don't care how brilliant he technally is. his lyrics are cliche and his singing makes them physically painful. as a lead guitarrist in a band where someone else does the writing and the singing he'd be incredible, but that's not the whole package.

plus he's a fuckin dickhead. and he has stupid hair.

the hair part was the best part of this post :lol:

DMBFan63 · Unread post by **DMBFan63** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 2:13 pm

fatjack wrote:
DMBFan63 wrote:How is it possible for this poll it be 18% for mayer and 81% for harper? that's only 99%!
maybe the boards programming cant handle decimals too well

Aparently they're not able to tell i only posted once on this thread too..

gcom007 · Unread post by **gcom007** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:26 am

if you don't think mayer's songs have real emotions then you're just nuts...that's ridiculous...especially this new CD...

dustin · Unread post by **dustin** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 1:08 am

it may have some emotion a little bit but nothing compared to any of ben harpers cds.

gravedigger · Unread post by **gravedigger** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:58 am

mbgreen wrote:Here's my extended take on just about anyone versus Mayer. Mayer knows his theory. Yawn. He has no passion behind his music. I think a lot of people get caught up in theory and worry about the mechanics of the music more than the actual finished project. Its like being the structural engineer versus the architect. People arent touched by a great structural design. They remember a beautiful building. To me, Mayer seems to be writing music just for the sake of writing music. Theory-wise, its really sound, and actually impressive. There's no emotion behind what hes doing though, at least in my eyes. He's a musician, and not much of an artist.

Ben is an artist. He can take the most simple progression and make something beautiful out of it...the guy figuratively bleeds on stage. Mayer, in my opinion, has a lot to learn about being an artist, regardless of his knowledge of theory.

Oh, and Ben still has funk.

ok. I don't think you should say there's no passion behind Mayer's music. Listen to Heavier Things a few times and you'll hear it. Mayer has the most mature taste and knowledge of music for a young guy that I have ever heard. His passion is music and if you can't hear that through his playing, than you're not listening.

he kicks pretty much everyone's ass on the guitar.

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 11:10 am

gravedigger wrote:
mbgreen wrote:Here's my extended take on just about anyone versus Mayer. Mayer knows his theory. Yawn. He has no passion behind his music. I think a lot of people get caught up in theory and worry about the mechanics of the music more than the actual finished project. Its like being the structural engineer versus the architect. People arent touched by a great structural design. They remember a beautiful building. To me, Mayer seems to be writing music just for the sake of writing music. Theory-wise, its really sound, and actually impressive. There's no emotion behind what hes doing though, at least in my eyes. He's a musician, and not much of an artist.

Ben is an artist. He can take the most simple progression and make something beautiful out of it...the guy figuratively bleeds on stage. Mayer, in my opinion, has a lot to learn about being an artist, regardless of his knowledge of theory.

Oh, and Ben still has funk.
ok. I don't think you should say there's no passion behind Mayer's music. Listen to Heavier Things a few times and you'll hear it. Mayer has the most mature taste and knowledge of music for a young guy that I have ever heard. His passion is music and if you can't hear that through his playing, than you're not listening.

he kicks pretty much everyone's ass on the guitar.

i agree grave. i hate most of his music, but you can feel the emotion in his songs, no matter how sappy it is...

Jay · Unread post by **Jay** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:22 pm

mayer might have emotion but it is poorly expressed. and if you don't think that then you're just nuts as well.

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