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MahlerGrooves · Unread post by **MahlerGrooves** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:27 pm

mrjones wrote:what books?

A "must read" is any book on harmony by Paul Hindemith and the "Gradus ad Parnassum" by Fux. Also, treatises by Rameau, Schoenberg and a few others. I used the Hindemith as my textbook, but there are other good ones around somewhere. I will ask around.

sk8r · Unread post by **sk8r** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:06 pm

MahlerGrooves wrote:
mrjones wrote:what books?
A "must read" is any book on harmony by Paul Hindemith and the "Gradus ad Parnassum" by Fux. Also, treatises by Rameau, Schoenberg and a few others. I used the Hindemith as my textbook, but there are other good ones around somewhere. I will ask around.

yea i have to admit i am insanely interested on learning theory but i have really no true theor knowledge right now. i took lessons in many different instruments in my life but nothing solid. what book would you recommend to a true beginner as far as music theory goes...if you can think of one fi not i might just pick up those books u recommended and see which seems beinger friendly if any

MahlerGrooves · Unread post by **MahlerGrooves** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:47 pm

well, i HAVE seen music theory for dummies....that may help with the basics. But Ireally love the Hindemith books for chord progressions and there is one amazing book for analysis. As far as counterpoint, Salzer and Schachter have an AMAZING one out...its blue and big, printed landscaper layout and pricey....but amazing!

I will look through my collection and see what is best for beginners. I'll also talk to my prof. and see what he says.

sk8r · Unread post by **sk8r** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:54 pm

thanks chris....you are a good man. i have to say i have never been to impressed with the for dummies books i might just pass on that but the progressions one sounds good. im real interested in that so yea i think i'll pick it up

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:52 pm

MahlerGrooves wrote:well, i HAVE seen music theory for dummies....that may help with the basics. But Ireally love the Hindemith books for chord progressions and there is one amazing book for analysis. As far as counterpoint, Salzer and Schachter have an AMAZING one out...its blue and big, printed landscaper layout and pricey....but amazing!

I will look through my collection and see what is best for beginners. I'll also talk to my prof. and see what he says.

way too advanced for beginners

its more practical for guitarists to learn jazz theory anyway, its easier and applies to guitar quite well

mlb1399 · Unread post by **mlb1399** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:43 am

Fatjack, I thought you were going to say that Music Theory for Dummies is way too advanced for some of the people on this site. ;-)

MahlerGrooves · Unread post by **MahlerGrooves** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:19 am

fatjack wrote:
MahlerGrooves wrote:well, i HAVE seen music theory for dummies....that may help with the basics. But Ireally love the Hindemith books for chord progressions and there is one amazing book for analysis. As far as counterpoint, Salzer and Schachter have an AMAZING one out...its blue and big, printed landscaper layout and pricey....but amazing!

I will look through my collection and see what is best for beginners. I'll also talk to my prof. and see what he says.
way too advanced for beginners

its more practical for guitarists to learn jazz theory anyway, its easier and applies to guitar quite well

And jazzers DO tend to be cooler :wink:

MahlerGrooves · Unread post by **MahlerGrooves** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:20 pm

Hey guys! I have a few of these ready, but may not get to post them before GErmany. They are definately onthe way!

Grandpagotgame · Unread post by **Grandpagotgame** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:54 pm

Knowing a lot of music theory is REALLY overrated. Talent and experience are far more important.

mlb1399 · Unread post by **mlb1399** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:53 am

Grandpagotgame wrote:Knowing a lot of music theory is REALLY overrated. Talent and experience are far more important.

Good musicians have both!

DMBFan63 · Unread post by **DMBFan63** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:58 pm

mlb1399 wrote:
Grandpagotgame wrote:Knowing a lot of music theory is REALLY overrated. Talent and experience are far more important.

Good musicians have both!

you need to know what you're doing before you can break the rules and use your instrument talent. If you have no idea what you're doing, you're usually going to end up writting some sort of song that is just thrown together. Making a solid song, you need to know theory.

I agree, a good musician needs to know both.

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:32 pm

Grandpagotgame wrote:Knowing a lot of music theory is REALLY overrated. Talent and experience are far more important.

judging from your posts so far, im guessing you have neither, so shut the fuck up

DMBFan63 · Unread post by **DMBFan63** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:32 pm

fatjack wrote:
Grandpagotgame wrote:Knowing a lot of music theory is REALLY overrated. Talent and experience are far more important.
judging from your posts so far, im guessing you have neither, so shut the fuck up

ooooo burn! :lol:

I don't agree that talent is more important at all

sk8r · Unread post by **sk8r** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:35 pm

i disagree. i think theory is more important than pure talent. I think someone who is musically knowledgeable will be far better off than someone who just has alot of skill.

gumbomadness · Unread post by **gumbomadness** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:13 pm

fact is folks, you need both to truly be a virtuoso.
you play an instrument, its a trade, an art, a passed down craft, so don't take it lightly!
its a deep world thats scientific and creative and just as much expressive and thought provoking.

dont think you can pull off not knowing shit and being a virtuoso ala timmy/joe pass..etc.
you may be able to play in a band ala dave but chances are, unless your AMAzinG at either lyrics, or singing, or catchy riffs, no talented band such as that of carter, leroi, boyd are ever gonna want to play with you.--- especially band members that write songs TOGETHER not just follow the guy who doesnt know theory. The guy who doesnt know theory CANNOT write songs in a group in quick situations, or "jam" out. sorry some of you guys, but playing all your chords a little bit harder and with some muting doesnt count as jamming.

Sorry to burst some of your bubbles, im in a bad mood so thats my bluntly pessimistic post gnight.

BTW:
those of you who are self taught and do have natural talent im not knocking you! However, its a great idea to use up EVERY OUNCE of potential you have, because we all have the potential to be knowledgeable and successful.

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