Minarets chorus

mattm · Unread post by **mattm** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:48 pm

i was looking at the Minarets tab and wondering why Dave wouldn't play the chorus like this, which i think is easier, faster, and sounds better:

E:---------------------------------------------------------------------
B:---------------------------------------------------------------------
G:---------------------------------------------------------------------
D:---------11---9---7------------------------------6h7p6------------
A:-----9-----------------11---10---9-------7---8-----------7--8--7-
E:-7-------------------------------------5-----------------------------

instead of this (dmbtabs) which requires playing the 7 6 5 4 with your index finger (sounds too choppy, hard to avoid sliding):

E:---------------------------------------------------------------
B:---------------------------------------------------------------
G:---------------------------------------------------------------
D:---------11---9---7---6---5---4---------------6h7p6---------
A:-----9--------------------------------7---8-----------7--8--7--
E:-7--------------------------------5----------------------------

which method have you actually SEEN him play?

mbgreen · Unread post by **mbgreen** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:57 pm

Hell, I agree with you. It just feels wrong using your index finger like that. Kanter did tab it from a video, so I would imagine the way he has it is the way dave plays it. That doesnt mean its the best or most efficient way though...

DMBFan63 · Unread post by **DMBFan63** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:40 am

easier to play it the dave way IMO...

Ranting Thespian · Unread post by **Ranting Thespian** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:05 am

The stone can be played much simpiler with open frets, but he plays it the other way. Possibly because of how I play certain songs: so it's more interesting and fun to play. Just a thought.

mbgreen · Unread post by **mbgreen** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:07 am

While I dont think its easier to play it daves way (if your pinky is well trained anyway) playing it up higher on the neck does sort of give it a different tone. I dont think the tone is as good higher up. Eh. Whatever.

Brock · Unread post by **Brock** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:24 am

I think it's easier dave's way too, and my personal belief as to why dave plays it like this is because those notes going down the neck are supposed to be staccato, which is much easier to achieve by playing it the way he does it. You just lift the finger/mute after every hit.

PlayLikeDave · Unread post by **PlayLikeDave** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:31 am

I like how Dave plays it. I have tried to play other songs other ways, and all that I have liked is transposing the chorus from The Stone onto the G, B and high E strings. But he played If I had It All at the 9-6 show in Camden last week, and he uses the index finger like that for sure. Just play like Dave.

peace

mattm · Unread post by **mattm** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:42 am

hmmmm. i can play it either way, but what i'm often interested in knowing is what method Dave plays most (for any given song), what HE prefers ... out of curiousity for the logic behind his madness.

but i'm not talking about the seemingly-eternal debate over 'Daves way' vs. 'the lame way' vs. the 'highway' vs. any other crazy bullshit that someone might dream up, to shorcut or improve the song. i pretty much always play the blessed 'Dave way', and hence i tend to sound much like dave. go figure.

i'm talking about the logic and theory behind it. more than just 'it sounds good to me'

so with MINARETS, maybe he just 'likes' to play the 7 6 5 4 with his index hoppin down the D string (if that's how he indeed plays it). but i can't think of any other song in which he does anything like it. it's a strange way to go, as mbgreen mentioned.

Ranting Thespian: the Stone? open frets? what the f*ck? :shock:

maybe TrippnBill nailed it with the Staccato comment. could very well be. but then again, i can play 11 10 9 with the same effect ... small tone difference between the A and D strings? (assuming they're new)

but there's an overall repetitive logic to the way he plays his songs, and all of you who can play most of his stuff know this well. this is just one of those parts that doesn't seem to make a ton of sense. consider #34 and the 7 9 11 bit.

oh freakin well. i was just wondering (if you'd come along)

there are a number of other WHY questions i have, but i'll save em for now (no thanks necessary) :wink:

but maybe those of you with a deep understanding of dave's technique and logic could shed some enlightenment.

-Matt

Brock · Unread post by **Brock** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:53 am

ok new idea:

perhaps he plays it down the d string so that his fingers will be closer to the 5 on the low e. eh? eh?

when i played it high on the a string, it was harder for me to get to that 5 in time. but i suck so what do i know..

mbgreen · Unread post by **mbgreen** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:59 am

Ranting Thespian wrote:The stone can be played much simpiler with open frets, but he plays it the other way. Possibly because of how I play certain songs: so it's more interesting and fun to play. Just a thought.

Not to get off topic, but if you play the stone open it sounds totally different. The tone and sustain change a lot...

The Man of The Hour · Unread post by **The Man of The Hour** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:24 am

This is very similar to the Ants Marching Intro Dave does sometimes. I can think of a couple reasons why dave would choose to play it on one string rather than three(still on the ants marching example) -

A) He played it that way from the beginning, even realizing utilizing three strings is more simple than one, he stuck with it.

B) He likes the sound more, a little more staccato, crispy, meant to be there. Meant to cut through more and just add a little BANG.

I feel the latter is a bit more rational...especially when you bring in Minarets and you have that staccato sound present. Dave most likely felt the song could use some crisp notes, as it is a bit "Arabic/Harmonic-Minor-ish" in tone..... I feel though it is more logical to utilize ease in playing, exceptions can be made when getting that "perfect" sound. Or maybe I'm just an idiot.

Appfro · Unread post by **Appfro** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:31 am

mbgreen wrote:
Ranting Thespian wrote:The stone can be played much simpiler with open frets, but he plays it the other way. Possibly because of how I play certain songs: so it's more interesting and fun to play. Just a thought.
Not to get off topic, but if you play the stone open it sounds totally different. The tone and sustain change a lot...

i don't think i understand what you guys are talking about

Ranting Thespian · Unread post by **Ranting Thespian** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:41 am

mattm wrote:Ranting Thespian: the Stone? open frets? what the f*ck?

Yeah, you can play it with more open frests. here's a tab altered by the one here

Code: Select all

Intro
E:-------------------------
B:-------------------------
G:-----2-------0-0---------
D:-0-------3--------2-3-2--
A:-------------------------
E:-------------------------

Verse
E:----------------------------------------------------------------------
B:----------------------------------------------------------------------
G:-0---2-------0-0----------3---0-0-------------2-----------------------
D:---------3--------2-3-2---x--------2-3-2---0-----------3--0--2--------
A:--------------------------1----------------------3--1-----------3--0--
E:--------------------------3-------------------------------------------

mattm · Unread post by **mattm** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:53 am

The Man: that makes sense, habit and the tonal difference, expecially if dave's trying to cut through the rest of the band. but he seems to play Minarets the same when only with Tim.

i guess the Stone comments were simply references to rearranging other dave songs.

#34 is a good example. if you can't play the 5 7 9, then 7 9 11 fast enough, you could drop the bass E altogether, and simply play open A then A7 D9 G11 etc. doesn't sound nearly as good though.

which is the similar to what i originally proposed for the Minarets chorus, but not for the reason of shorcutting.

i guess i'll stick with the hopping index method lol

Appfro · Unread post by **Appfro** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:01 am

Ranting Thespian wrote:

mattm wrote:Ranting Thespian: the Stone? open frets? what the f*ck?

Yeah, you can play it with more open frests. here's a tab altered by the one here

Code: Select all

Intro
E:-------------------------
B:-------------------------
G:-----2-------0-0---------
D:-0-------3--------2-3-2--
A:-------------------------
E:-------------------------

Verse
E:----------------------------------------------------------------------
B:----------------------------------------------------------------------
G:-0---2-------0-0----------3---0-0-------------2-----------------------
D:---------3--------2-3-2---x--------2-3-2---0-----------3--0--2--------
A:--------------------------1----------------------3--1-----------3--0--
E:--------------------------3-------------------------------------------

eh...took me too long to learn it the other way. im set in my ways.

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