Stay or Leave..in B

Appfro · Unread post by **Appfro** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 3:39 am

The only version of Stay or leave i have is from the 3-29-03 Dave and Tim concert....Does anyone know if dave is playing this in B or does he play it in standard at acoustic concerts? i unfortunately wasn't close enough to the stage to see and wouldn't have known anyway because that was the first time hearing the song. ive been playing along w/ him in standard just fine, i guess it's just more out of curiosity.

ps. it seems that both stay and leave and the space between and some others are in tunings that are just as well played in standard...what is the need for the alternate tunings...is dave getting tired of people playing his stuff so he puts in alt. tunings knowing slack ass college kids like me hate dropping to D much less tuning to some obscure B tuning?

Ando · Unread post by **Ando** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 12:22 pm

I doubt that you're going to get the same tone or sound out of standard then you are raised b, if so there wouldn't really be any need for Baritone guitars. If you look at the standard tab for Stay or Leave, then look at the raised B, you will see that the raised B is a hella lot easier. You just need a baritone guitar or some heavy gauge strings to play it.

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 12:27 pm

andyrice_13 wrote:I doubt that you're going to get the same tone or sound out of standard then you are raised b, if so there wouldn't really be any need for Baritone guitars. If you look at the standard tab for Stay or Leave, then look at the raised B, you will see that the raised B is a hella lot easier. You just need a baritone guitar or some heavy gauge strings to play it.

yeah but the problem with that is that not everyone has a baritone guitar, and they end up doing something stupid, like trying to RAISE to baritone tuning...

Appfro · Unread post by **Appfro** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 12:53 pm

fatjack wrote:
andyrice_13 wrote:I doubt that you're going to get the same tone or sound out of standard then you are raised b, if so there wouldn't really be any need for Baritone guitars. If you look at the standard tab for Stay or Leave, then look at the raised B, you will see that the raised B is a hella lot easier. You just need a baritone guitar or some heavy gauge strings to play it.
yeah but the problem with that is that not everyone has a baritone guitar, and they end up doing something stupid, like trying to RAISE to baritone tuning...

Exactly.
My question still is that dave played OSW then stay or leave, and i don't particularly remember him changing guitars...while he may have. So is dave playing standard or B...or does he ever play his B songs in standard?

Jay · Unread post by **Jay** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 4:02 pm

baritone and raised B are 2 different things...baritone uses a baritone guitar, and Raised B uses a normal guitar with different strings.

Appfro · Unread post by **Appfro** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 5:23 pm

Jay wrote:baritone and raised B are 2 different things...baritone uses a baritone guitar, and Raised B uses a normal guitar with different strings.

It's still too much work. Not everyone has another guitar to put different strings on to have a guitar that you can play 4 songs on. i just don't really see the point. I guess im just wondering if it's worth it and why Dave's doing it more often now. Look at his older stuff...Standard and Drop D. Why the change

Jay · Unread post by **Jay** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 5:30 pm

he's got more $ and more guitars 8)

probably got bored of standard tuning also

Trippin Hillbilly · Unread post by **Trippin Hillbilly** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 5:35 pm

I learn't stay or leave in standard and then in raised B... Raised B sounds ten times better imo, check my recording if you're interested...(SHAMELESS PLUG!)
http://www.angelfire.com/droid/mookman/ ... Miguel.mp3

If it's too much hassle why dont you just put a capo on 7? Or is that too much work too? :lol:

Dave was probably just looking for something different, some alternate tunings and SOL and YNK is what he came up with. I bet he doesn't even know how to play them in standard tuning... although I think tim plays it in standard....who knows.
Oh and yes he does change to raised B for stay or leave, on the acoustic toor he kept his Taylor 714 next to his DM3MD on stage..

lates..

Appfro · Unread post by **Appfro** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 6:19 pm

It's not as full way up there at 7. It just doesnt' sound as good...i guess i just have to start being rich so i can buy more guitars.

anyone wanna contribute?

Trippin Hillbilly · Unread post by **Trippin Hillbilly** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 6:34 pm

That's exactly what it will sound like if you use Raised B.

Ando · Unread post by **Ando** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:21 am

Trippin Hillbilly wrote:I learn't stay or leave in standard and then in raised B... Raised B sounds ten times better imo, check my recording if you're interested...(SHAMELESS PLUG!)
http://www.angelfire.com/droid/mookman/ ... Miguel.mp3

If it's too much hassle why dont you just put a capo on 7? Or is that too much work too?

Dave was probably just looking for something different, some alternate tunings and SOL and YNK is what he came up with. I bet he doesn't even know how to play them in standard tuning... although I think tim plays it in standard....who knows.
Oh and yes he does change to raised B for stay or leave, on the acoustic toor he kept his Taylor 714 next to his DM3MD on stage..

lates..

That is an awesome cover. Good job man

Davy28 · Unread post by **Davy28** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:46 am

speaking of which, what kind of a wierd ass tuning is he using for busted stuff? Its like normal tuning except with the a thru g strings lowered. There is little difference between that and standard tuning in terms of sound.

Appfro · Unread post by **Appfro** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 1:30 am

Davy28 wrote:speaking of which, what kind of a wierd ass tuning is he using for busted stuff? Its like normal tuning except with the a thru g strings lowered. There is little difference between that and standard tuning in terms of sound.

exactly. How does one come up w/ a tuning like E-G-B-E-B-E? I mean...really.

rin · Unread post by **rin** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 1:40 am

yeah people actually do it a lot. i've been playing this joni mitchell song a lot recently, "this flight tonight". the tuning is Ab Ab Eb Ab C Eb. how she comes up with it, i dont' know. but i do know that that low Ab thwaptiy twap is pretty badass.

NoNotThat · Unread post by **NoNotThat** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 9:13 am

rin wrote:the tuning is Ab Ab Eb Ab C Eb.

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