Dreaming Tree is in 7/8 and the Fool To Think chorus is in 9/8rollmebackagain wrote:I thought it was 9/8Isn't Dreaming Tree in 7/8? I really don't know anything about time signatures, but I thought I read that somewhere.
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its actually in 5/8Beauford33 wrote:Let me know of the part so I can check it out.i like tictacs wrote:YNK changes to 5/4 at one point I believe
and 6/8 amnd 3/4 aren't the same, they are similar but not the same hard to differentiate at times.
and bo, im disappointed. i thought you as a drummer and a jazz enthusiast would know that 3/4 and 6/8 are different for a reason...

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Ya, I thought about that about a week later and just said "fuck me". 8/8 gets two halfs and has a triplet feel. I dont know about the two halfs though, I just remember countring it like it were in 2.fatjack wrote:its actually in 5/8Beauford33 wrote:Let me know of the part so I can check it out.i like tictacs wrote:YNK changes to 5/4 at one point I believe
and 6/8 amnd 3/4 aren't the same, they are similar but not the same hard to differentiate at times.
and bo, im disappointed. i thought you as a drummer and a jazz enthusiast would know that 3/4 and 6/8 are different for a reason...
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at least you didn't say the stone was in 6/4 like grandpahasnogameBeauford33 wrote:Ya, I thought about that about a week later and just said "fuck me". 8/8 gets two halfs and has a triplet feel. I dont know about the two halfs though, I just remember countring it like it were in 2.fatjack wrote:its actually in 5/8Beauford33 wrote:Let me know of the part so I can check it out.i like tictacs wrote:YNK changes to 5/4 at one point I believe
and 6/8 amnd 3/4 aren't the same, they are similar but not the same hard to differentiate at times.
and bo, im disappointed. i thought you as a drummer and a jazz enthusiast would know that 3/4 and 6/8 are different for a reason...
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Yea, but I should know better.fatjack wrote:at least you didn't say the stone was in 6/4 like grandpahasnogameBeauford33 wrote:Ya, I thought about that about a week later and just said "fuck me". 8/8 gets two halfs and has a triplet feel. I dont know about the two halfs though, I just remember countring it like it were in 2.fatjack wrote:its actually in 5/8Beauford33 wrote:Let me know of the part so I can check it out.i like tictacs wrote:YNK changes to 5/4 at one point I believe
and 6/8 amnd 3/4 aren't the same, they are similar but not the same hard to differentiate at times.
and bo, im disappointed. i thought you as a drummer and a jazz enthusiast would know that 3/4 and 6/8 are different for a reason...
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The Dreaming Tree is in 7/8 and here's how you know.
in 7/4, it's just seven straight beats per measure. in 7/8, you can feel the pattern as 1,2,3,+,a. if you subdivided it as 1+2+3+a, all seven of those would get the same amount of time, but in just 1,2,3, beat three feels longer (which it is)
to back this up, I have the intro in a sax book in which it is in 7/8.
in 7/4, it's just seven straight beats per measure. in 7/8, you can feel the pattern as 1,2,3,+,a. if you subdivided it as 1+2+3+a, all seven of those would get the same amount of time, but in just 1,2,3, beat three feels longer (which it is)
to back this up, I have the intro in a sax book in which it is in 7/8.
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So let me get this straight. And someone please correct me if I'm wrong. 4/8 means 4 beats per measure with the eight note getting the quarter beat. right?
So the bottom number is only significant when reading the music? Or, does it also translate into a double time.
Like someone was saying earlier, 6/8 is just 3/4 when we play it. But, when we read it, 6/8 will give the eighth note the usual quarter beat. So you'd read 6/8 as 1,2,3 - 1,2,3, - 1,2,3 with each number being eighth notes? This stuff sound right?
So the bottom number is only significant when reading the music? Or, does it also translate into a double time.
Like someone was saying earlier, 6/8 is just 3/4 when we play it. But, when we read it, 6/8 will give the eighth note the usual quarter beat. So you'd read 6/8 as 1,2,3 - 1,2,3, - 1,2,3 with each number being eighth notes? This stuff sound right?
yes.glorifiedg84 wrote:So let me get this straight. And someone please correct me if I'm wrong. 4/8 means 4 beats per measure with the eight note getting the quarter beat. right?
eh.....for the most part (see below)glorifiedg84 wrote:So the bottom number is only significant when reading the music? Or, does it also translate into a double time.
not entirely. 3/4 has more of a "waltz" feel to it, and 6/8 has more of a swing feel to it. in reading 6/8, you'd read it like ONE two three FOUR five six, whereas 3/4 youd read like ONE two three ONE two three. if i could think of two good examples i'd give you them because its kinda tough to describe with just words. someone help me out hereglorifiedg84 wrote:Like someone was saying earlier, 6/8 is just 3/4 when we play it. But, when we read it, 6/8 will give the eighth note the usual quarter beat. So you'd read 6/8 as 1,2,3 - 1,2,3, - 1,2,3 with each number being eighth notes? This stuff sound right?

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heres a better way to think of the difference between 3/4 and 6/8. 3/4 is a measure of 3 beats, quarter note getting the beat, right? well, instead of imagining 6/8 as a group of 6 eighth notes, imagine it as a slow measure of 2/4, only its always triplets instead of quarter or eighth notes. that makes it feel more "swingy" rather than "waltzy". hope that helps.
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Satellite is in 6/8 time although that is technically correct, you can write and play it as 3/4 time, its the same time, you just have to adjust the tempo number accordingly. I play it in 3/4 at a tempo of 132, you put it in 6/8 and you have to play it at a tempo of 66 I believe (or you double the tempo I cant remember), same difference really. Either way, playing 6/8 in a cut time feel, which appears in a lot of ensemble music, I know from experience, you basically play at double the tempo. Man I am rusty on my theory.
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SaxMan123 wrote:Satellite is in 6/8 time although that is technically correct, you can write and play it as 3/4 time, its the same time, you just have to adjust the tempo number accordingly. I play it in 3/4 at a tempo of 132, you put it in 6/8 and you have to play it at a tempo of 66 I believe (or you double the tempo I cant remember), same difference really. Either way, playing 6/8 in a cut time feel, which appears in a lot of ensemble music, I know from experience, you basically play at double the tempo. Man I am rusty on my theory.
time signatures confuse me
they taught me in math class that 6/8 = 3/4....

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3/4 is just another way of timing 6/8. It requires less thinking to count in 3/4 really, plus its easier to write. I hate time signatures period, I have had to play some exotic time sigs in my 6 years as a musician. Think like 12/10 and some other insane shit, its really annoying.elijah77jc wrote:SaxMan123 wrote:Satellite is in 6/8 time although that is technically correct, you can write and play it as 3/4 time, its the same time, you just have to adjust the tempo number accordingly. I play it in 3/4 at a tempo of 132, you put it in 6/8 and you have to play it at a tempo of 66 I believe (or you double the tempo I cant remember), same difference really. Either way, playing 6/8 in a cut time feel, which appears in a lot of ensemble music, I know from experience, you basically play at double the tempo. Man I am rusty on my theory.
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