Dave Explains his Percussive Style.........

[Speenis]

Crush in "live at central parK" sounds to me like a jam session near the end of it. .. in montreal i heard a jam for the longest time in "Grace is Gone" Also in Ottawa i heard them play a 40 minute version of #41, along with Bela fleck. .. Now they jammed there man.. There are obvious parts where they solo to, i. e tripping billies, lie in our graves, they all take their parts, excluding dave... They do both in my opinion.

sure they jam on certain songs, but not nearly as much as a jam band. Plus that #41 was only about 34 mins of actual playing. The whole track length is 38 mins and thats with all of the crowd noise. And thats cuz they had Bela Fleck and the Flecktones with em on stage, DMB would never play #41 that long by themselves.

Ok, I would agree that they pretty much play the same jams everytime, but if you think about it, they had to come up those jams at some point, which means that they would have to jam to come up with it, at least I think that's how they do it.

So Journey is a jam band? Theyve got some pretty wailing solos, and they obviously had to jam at one point to come up with those solos...? Dmb is NOT a jamband. Do you guys listen to any jambands? MOE., WSP, Phish, etc? If you do, the difference should be incredibly apparent. The structure to their songs is far more flexible. Look at Lie in our graves. I know exactly when boyd is going to take ALL of his solos. Hell, I know how many measures all but one of them will be played for. The only question is whether or not the last "jam" is going to be 1 minute or 10. Jambands constantly change the very structure of their songs. They'll drift into different keys, transforming the song into something totally unrecognizeable from what they started with.

Now, I love DMB as much as the next guy. But theyre not a jamband.

yeah, what he said, ekoostik hookah is a good one too

[DropD-MB]

Pop is short for popular and it encompasses a lot more than Britney and Christina. The Beatles are pop.

You are correct sir! Pop is any mainstream music.

[Speenis]

There is nothing typical about the Dave Matthews Band.

It is a pop band....

Does anyone else find that humorous?

[unccharlotte07]

There is nothing typical about the Dave Matthews Band.

It is a pop band....

Does anyone else find that humorous?

Yes, because it seems very contradictory to me. I think all pop music basically sounds the same. I would agree with the statement that pop is mainstream, and DMB is not mainstream. So unless anyone can come up with a better genre for them, I'm stickin with jam band. Hey, that's what WMP puts them in when I put their CDs into my computer.

[mbgreen]

DMB is not mainstream.

The fourth largest touring act in the world (even when they dont tour anywhere but the US) isnt mainstream? I can sympathize with you not wanting to call it pop, but theyre pretty damn mainstream.

Dmb is just dmb. They dont fit in any other category for me, cause theyre different from just about any other band out there. Nobody sounds like them. You cant tell people who they sound like. You can just tell them what the makeup is of the band, and until they hear it you wont be able to convey it to them. Or at least I cant.

[mikee]

DMB is not mainstream.

The fourth largest touring act in the world (even when they dont tour anywhere but the US) isnt mainstream? I can sympathize with you not wanting to call it pop, but theyre pretty damn mainstream.

Dmb is just dmb. They dont fit in any other category for me, cause theyre different from just about any other band out there. Nobody sounds like them. You cant tell people who they sound like. You can just tell them what the makeup is of the band, and until they hear it you wont be able to convey it to them. Or at least I cant.

I agree with you mb. However, I don't know how they are mainstream? What I mean is, I have been listening to them for about 9 years; everyone I have met whether it be a co-worker or close friends have not really taking a liking to DMB. I have tried introducing solo shit, D&T shit, and DMB shit, nothing seems to work. Yet, these people tend to say DMB is mainstream. I am not talking about 5 or so people, I am talking about a lot more...50 maybe 60....who knows but it's a lot. The thing is, everybody considers them mainstream and pop, yet the only DMB friends I have are the ones I have met while touring over the last 8 years. They are rarely played on the radio where I live which is right next to detroit. I find this even harder to believe. It seems as though someone who makes 80million plus every tour year would be played non-stop. It's almost like Dave fans are invisible or imaginary. I have tried to figure out why it is like this, maybe it's demographics? Maybe it's the bands opposition to Clear Channel (FUCKING MONOPOLIZING WHORES)? Anyhow, I'm tired and have to get some sleep....or at least try.

[unccharlotte07]

Just because they're one of the top touring bands doesn't mean that they are mainstream. I listen to the radio a lot, and I have heard probably 5 DMB songs (at the most) on the radio, including hearing the same song at least twice. I consider mainstream when you can walk up to any average joe shmoe and ask him to finish a lyric, like in a Brittney Spears song for example. If you went up to some random guy on the street and said "finish this: Gravedigger, when you dig my grave..." I bet they couldn't do it. And he even won a Grammy for that, too.

[chris murphy]

pop or not, i know what what i like and when talent crosses my ears and dmb is "the best of whats around" (but d&t is even better)

[mikee]

Just because they're one of the top touring bands doesn't mean that they are mainstream. I listen to the radio a lot, and I have heard probably 5 DMB songs (at the most) on the radio, including hearing the same song at least twice. I consider mainstream when you can walk up to any average joe shmoe and ask him to finish a lyric, like in a Brittney Spears song for example. If you went up to some random guy on the street and said "finish this: Gravedigger, when you dig my grave..." I bet they couldn't do it. And he even won a Grammy for that, too.

I agree with you on one aspect, but in a sense I don't. I think finishing a lyric to a Britney song or Justin Timberlake or Blink 182 would be considered more of a "pop" characteristic than "mainstream". I think "pop" pertains more to radio play, where as, "maintstream" pertains more to the overall popularity of the music without just including top 40 shit..

When I say mainstream I mean solely by definition. I don't think Britney would be considered mainstream by definition....but DMB would. Eh, I dunno...I'm not making any sense here..

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[unccharlotte07]

Well, I still say that for the most part pop=mainstream, but we could debate on this issue for weeks.

[Duffman]

The fourth largest touring act in the world

who are the top 3?

[mikee]

Well, I still say that for the most part pop=mainstream, but we could debate on this issue for weeks.

Baaah bahhh bah brrrring it on beeeeeyotch

And who are the top 3 touring bands? Ymmm I know Bruce springsteen is on of them. He was #1 back in 01.....The other two are prolly pansies

[unccharlotte07]

Well, I still say that for the most part pop=mainstream, but we could debate on this issue for weeks.

Baaah bahhh bah brrrring it on beeeeeyotch

Whenever I said we could, that doesn't mean I want to. We both have valid points, and there isn't really a right and wrong, it's just opinions.

[mikee]

No I know dude.......both very valid. Just playin wid ya'!

[acousticwaffle]

I think 'pop band' has a bad connotation nowadays because of what is popular, not the actual definition of the word. The Beatles made 'pop' music, and it's arguably some of the best out there to this day. We gotta remember that pop mostly sucks now, but it's not required to be crap to be pop music.