For Anyone who thinks Boyd is amazing...

ticohans · Unread post by **ticohans** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:45 pm

LOLOLOLOL!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I'm not even going to touch that mess when he's really "rocking out" and has all those fast double stops on the lower strings. Same crap rhythm, same crap out of tone notes. Sounds like a garbage disposal. The section when he first comes out of playing double stops is great, I almost blew my dinner I laughed so hard. And the octave double stops, ohhhh, grrr, my head is still buzzing from how out of tune they were.

MattyTrane · Unread post by **MattyTrane** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:45 pm

i got the song from some site, (bad memory) same concert, same song, sounded way better than this....although disputing weather this is boyd or not is dumb imo.

Smaegol · Unread post by **Smaegol** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:47 pm

Naw.. When you're good enough to be playing the solos he plays night in and night out, you cant have that bad of a bad night. That would be like dave missing every other note of Mary had a little lamb, thats how bad that .MP3 sounded. I really dont mean to sound like a jerk here. But im coming to Boyd's defense: There is a 0% chance that was him in that MP3.

Hes much better then you give him credit for. Hes no Jimi Hendrix of Violin playing, but hes good.

-Smaegol

ticohans · Unread post by **ticohans** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:49 pm

Why are the idiots in the crowd cheering? They need to be throwing tomatoes, or better yet chain saws. I would demand my money back. I hate it when people become famous as an artist and they lose all artistic accountability. U2 could put out a record of them farting and it would go multi-platnum. That's not a bash at U2, I love them and think they rarely put out crap. But they could, and they'd still make millions doing it because, "AAHHHH!! Bono is, like, SOOOOOOOO amazing! UhHuh, Yeah! You Go, Bono!!"

ticohans · Unread post by **ticohans** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:51 pm

Smaegol wrote:Naw.. When you're good enough to be playing the solos he plays night in and night out, you cant have that bad of a bad night. That would be like dave missing every other note of Mary had a little lamb, thats how bad that .MP3 sounded. I really dont mean to sound like a jerk here. But im coming to Boyd's defense: There is a 0% chance that was him in that MP3.

Hes much better then you give him credit for. Hes no Jimi Hendrix of Violin playing, but hes good.

-Smaegol

Smeagol, how many violin players do you know?? I don't know that many, but literally (I did the math) 90% percent of the ones that I personally know and am friends with are better than Boyd

Levi · Unread post by **Levi** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:51 pm

Damn I don't know what you guys are talking about, but I think that sounded absolutely fine. It's not like he's making mistakes or anything, he's just trying something new and I don't think it's half as bad as you guys are saying it is.

When you go to Dave shows you can expect a lot of solos and I always look forward to Boyd's the most. There'd be such a massive hole in the band with a violin player...

Smaegol · Unread post by **Smaegol** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:51 pm

Whats more amazing is how easy it is with all the programs out there now to play a crappy violin and dub crowd noise in the backround and put it on a website. Anyone who really believes that is Boyd needs to go catch a DMB show sometime..

ticohans · Unread post by **ticohans** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:54 pm

Sorry, Levi, but the rhythm is off, the tuning is horrendus, and musically and aesthetically it's crap. And it's not Boyd trying to shatter some sort of barrier that exists in terms of what is considered good violin playing. Someone like Itzak Perlman could pull of the "I'm going to play a bunch of crap and make it sound good," but not Boyd. It's fine for the casual listener to listen and enjoy, but I would guarantee you that if you speak with any experienced musician--and no, your friend who has played the guitar for a year and half and who thinks he has a great voice doesn't count-- they will tell you that solo is complete crap.

Smaegol · Unread post by **Smaegol** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:55 pm

I bet they'll also ask you "So... how do you know that was really Boyd?"

ticohans · Unread post by **ticohans** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:58 pm

Smeagol, do you honestly think there are people out there who have the time and insanity to do such a thing?? This is a crap live recording that sounds like it's on a single track. If the recording were multitrack, it would be easy enough to split and overdub. But I'd be shocked if it were multitracked, because if it is, the person who mixed the tracks has no ear whatsoever. It is VERY VERY VERY VERY hard to sit down and remove a single part from a track that has 6 different sound sources (crowd, bass, drums, guitar, violin, sax). I don't think it's even possible. I'm not as familiar as I should be with all the recording and editing software that's out there, so I won't say it's impossible, but I'd be shocked, as in mouth hanging on the ground, if it could be done.

ticohans · Unread post by **ticohans** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:59 pm

literally mouth hanging on ground, like in the Mask, if anyone remembers that Carey flick.

Smaegol · Unread post by **Smaegol** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 10:01 pm

So I can tell youve never used Cool Edit Pro or Acid Music Programs? Its VERY easy to do. I could play a guitar part and add crowd noise and burn it to a CD in 5 mins and tell some girl it was me at a live show playing and she'd Totally believe me. Also... if it really was done professionally by a guy who singled out Boyd's solo to a single track.. I HIGHLY doubt he'd call it "Boyd is crap.MP3" heheheh

Dont believe everything you read.. or in this case hear

Levi · Unread post by **Levi** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 10:03 pm

ticohans wrote:Sorry, Levi, but the rhythm is off, the tuning is horrendus, and musically and aesthetically it's crap. And it's not Boyd trying to shatter some sort of barrier that exists in terms of what is considered good violin playing. Someone like Itzak Perlman could pull of the "I'm going to play a bunch of crap and make it sound good," but not Boyd. It's fine for the casual listener to listen and enjoy, but I would guarantee you that if you speak with any experienced musician--and no, your friend who has played the guitar for a year and half and who thinks he has a great voice doesn't count-- they will tell you that solo is complete crap.

Granted it's not the best solo of his career but I still think it sounds fine, all I'm saying is that DMB wouldn't be the same without him. I don't sit down and listen to violin music so I don't know what really good violin playing is, but Boyd does a good job as a part of this band.

And you sure assume a lot for not knowing me at all. I don't give a shit about what your "experienced musicians" think is good, I liked the way it sounded.

ticohans · Unread post by **ticohans** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 10:07 pm

Smaegol wrote:So I can tell youve never used Cool Edit Pro or Acid Music Programs? Its VERY easy to do. I could play a guitar part and add crowd noise and burn it to a CD in 5 mins and tell some girl it was me at a live show playing and she'd Totally believe me. Also... if it really was done professionally by a guy who singled out Boyd's solo to a single track.. I HIGHLY doubt he'd call it "Boyd is crap.MP3" heheheh

Dont believe everything you read.. or in this case hear

Smeagol, smeagol, smeagol, ADDING sounds is VERY VERY different to SUBTRACTING sounds. Given the relatively thin drum background throughout most of the clip, the simple bass-line guitar part, the fact that Mr. Moore was nowhere to be found, that Stefan wasn't tearing it up too much, and that there was great sound intensity can mean only one thing: Boyd was soloing.

If you've ever looked at sound waves through an osciloscope, you'll know what I mean. Most sounds are so jagged and impure that it would be impossible to find a function that could generate such a waveform accurately, let alone mimic the amplitude and frequency perfectly. I'm not talking about adding, which is of course easy. I'm talking about subtracting, as would have to have been done in this case.

DmbFanJason · Unread post by **DmbFanJason** » Wed Dec 04, 2002 10:14 pm

since ticohans is sooo educated in music and experienced, why is he ticohans on fuckin dmbtabs.com? Yeah, just go and be jealious and scared of boyd's success and seat here and say how bad he is while you are doing????what????not a god damn thing! If you are so smart in music, why dont you post some mp3s of yourself playing? or are you gonna make up some bullshit excuse? I bet if Boyd saw what yall were posting, he wouldnt even blink an eye because he knows and his fans know he is fuckin amazing...stop being so fuckin"octane this, and tenor, bla bla bla" it sounds fuckin badass to the majority of people on these boards, and i think a lot of them are just as good if not better than ticohans music pro...you "seem" to know a lot of theory, but wheres you application?

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