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DMBFan63 · Unread post by **DMBFan63** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 3:34 am

I'm just learning scales/chord formulations, it seems really interesting, and a lot easier to make originals.. so if i were you, i'd learn theory just for a better guitar playing experiance..

Appfro · Unread post by **Appfro** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 3:38 am

DMBFan63 wrote:I'm just learning scales/chord formulations, it seems really interesting, and a lot easier to make originals.. so if i were you, i'd learn theory just for a better guitar playing experiance..

where are you learning the chord stuff from? the internet or a book or a class? that's the stuff that i want to learn so i can write more music...even though i think im going to stop writing lyrics...never really came up w/ anything good.

isaac · Unread post by **isaac** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 3:43 am

heh. got anything i can read, App? maybe i can help...i'm not the best lyricist though, but i'd consider myself decent. no ego.

DMBFan63 · Unread post by **DMBFan63** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 3:46 am

I'm doing it all online, don't want to use up a school period on music theory, so i'll just go for online stuff.. chord formulations are pretty fun to learn.. ask everydaydmbfan, he is also learning it

Appfro · Unread post by **Appfro** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 3:48 am

isaac wrote:heh. got anything i can read, App? maybe i can help...i'm not the best lyricist though, but i'd consider myself decent. no ego.

i posted two of them a while back, fatjack said they were both sappy

Appfro · Unread post by **Appfro** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 3:48 am

DMBFan63 wrote:I'm doing it all online, don't want to use up a school period on music theory, so i'll just go for online stuff.. chord formulations are pretty fun to learn.. ask everydaydmbfan, he is also learning it

cool, got any good website recommendations?

DMBFan63 · Unread post by **DMBFan63** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 4:03 am

Naw, the website i am currently using only shows scales and where you can play certain chords on the neck..

Appfro · Unread post by **Appfro** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 4:40 am

hey isaac, if you ever wanna really read any of my stuff though, im me or email me or something, and ill let you read...but im warning you, i wasn't blessed.

duluoz · Unread post by **duluoz** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 4:45 am

Relative minor is the 6th of the major scale. Just a little more help. Knowing chord substitution is good too. Like a minor chord can be subst. that is a major 3rd above the root (C to Em). Or a minor chord that is a major chord thats a perfect 5th above root (C to G).

Appfro · Unread post by **Appfro** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 4:48 am

thanks a lot, i felt smart before...when people start talking about 3rds and 5ths and 36s and crap lliek that, im lost. so thanks for the self-esteem support

duluoz · Unread post by **duluoz** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 4:50 am

No problem

bugman96 · Unread post by **bugman96** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:49 am

fatjack wrote:
bugman96 wrote:yes, although a friend of mine who's more knowledgable in music theory than me said the intro/verse is in Em and the chorus is in G.
Em and G major are the same key, your friend should know that

He does. As do I. Their difference lies in the fact that they resolve to different notes (obviously Em resolves to E and G resolves to G) and have a slightly different feel.

grock · Unread post by **grock** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 2:44 pm

exactly right man. the relative minor isn't really the "same" key. Bm is different than D. That's why leaving the open D string in tripping billies sounds just fine but in Grey Street it sounds a bit off. this is because the "center" of the music is B and not D like in TB.

also usually when using the minor key the brain automatically thinks of the Harmonic Minor key. in this key they raise the 7th tone as below. it doesn't look easier but when writing songs it actually is. it just sounds right to have the half step leading into the tonic (A#~>B). and to have the V chord as major (F#).

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Key
Dmaj.:	D  E    F#  G  A  B  C#
Dmaj.:	D  Em   F#m G  A  Bm C#m7
Bharm:	B  C#   D   E  F# G  A#
Bharm:	Bm C#m7 D+  Em F# G  A#m7
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it is common, for dave especially, to switch between the major and relative minor for his verse and chorus. actually quite common. but there is a difference. minor can have a sense of urgency and emotion and it is pretty easy for a trained ear to hear the change in the tonic.

like in crush, it is Bm but modulates back to D. But the bulk of the song is in Bm and the tonal center is B.

sometimes you find modulations in different minor keys, from harmonic to natural or whatever. he does a lot of switching to the V chord and using that as the new key.

now that you are all thourouhly confused, here are some charts to help.

i'll link the spreadsheets i made up.
click forChords in Keys
click forScales in Keys
these should be pretty helpful

ericwormann · Unread post by **ericwormann** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 3:03 pm

fatjack wrote:
bugman96 wrote:yes, although a friend of mine who's more knowledgable in music theory than me said the intro/verse is in Em and the chorus is in G.
Em and G major are the same key, your friend should know that

Not quite.

They do incorporate the same notes, but they are used differently. They are not the same.

fatjack · Unread post by **fatjack** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 8:02 pm

winglet82 wrote:
fatjack wrote:
bugman96 wrote:yes, although a friend of mine who's more knowledgable in music theory than me said the intro/verse is in Em and the chorus is in G.
Em and G major are the same key, your friend should know that
Not quite.

They do incorporate the same notes, but they are used differently. They are not the same.

they have the same notes, thats all he needed to know, i didn't feel like talking about tone resolution and just end up confusing him...

you see one sharp in the key sig, its G. and guess what! its also Em! derp da der...

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