The Terrible Stone

So you're amazed as to how Dave's rhythm guitar slaps and strums so "perfectly"...but you can't. Ask all things about Dave and his guitars here.

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Unread post by Ruslan » Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:03 pm

Ok, spotlight, you make a valid point, but it is way too for me to consider improvising, adding things to the song. At this point in time, I see playing Dave's music not as a way to copy him, or to be like him, it's just a way of getting the technique of guitar playing, all the different technicalities and tricks, learning from the best, the way i see it, if i can play his most complicated songs, i can play most guitar songs in general.
I also have to admit that I am a bit of a perfectionist (yeah, right, a bit), so i really hate when something sounds off or different. Easy E made another valid point, by saying that although Dave varies the way he plays the songs, most of the time, you can figure out a general pattern of playing, however no one seems to want to reaveal what that secret pattern is :P.
Thanks for your comments and I'll be waiting for more advices.

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Unread post by matts420music » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:48 pm

Easy E wrote:basically Dave plays the same thing 95% of the songs
I didn't necessarily mean dave improvising at every show. For example take the song Jimi Thing, Daves part of the song sounds different now then in the early 90's even though it is the same basic riff (if you really want to critique it, which obviously this guy does). It has also has varied in sound and style from the time it was first played until the time it was last.

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Unread post by Easy E » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:51 pm

the only thing he really does differently on some of the main riffs is palm mute a little more often(ie jimi thing)
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Unread post by pjdk28 » Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:40 am

-the riff is undeniably palm muted
-try changing the attack (angle) of the pick...mentally buckle down and drive 2-3-2 a bit more aggressively
-resist the urge to hammer on
-make sure you're using both strokes of the pick to hit the notes (sounds like you are, but thats what broke the song for me)

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Unread post by Coldchillin » Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:02 am

pjdk28 wrote:-the riff is undeniably palm muted
-try changing the attack (angle) of the pick...mentally buckle down and drive 2-3-2 a bit more aggressively
-resist the urge to hammer on
-make sure you're using both strokes of the pick to hit the notes (sounds like you are, but thats what broke the song for me)
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Unread post by Easy E » Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:40 am

i dont think palm muting is what you think it is jonathan. He palm mutes it at times, depending on the volume he wants.
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Unread post by Coldchillin » Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:37 pm

Palm muting is putting the base of your right hand on the bridge, no? If I am right then he barely does that.
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Unread post by SPOTLIGHT5584 » Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:43 pm

i dunno guys the muting in this song is so hard to do so for now i just play the single notes and strike them with as much passion as i can without hitting other notes.

ive tried to mute the strings but i cant do it unless all the strums are downstrokes. any suggestions?

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Unread post by AlpineValley » Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:49 pm

Ruslan wrote:I'm quite confident that it's not down up down up down, pretty confident that there is at least 6 strums... That's as far as i can tell, I am very confused about how to strum, as in the pattern, but there's gotta be at least 6.

I mean take ourmedia for example, if you look at the instructional made by Pat, it sounds like he's doing 8 strums (don't know how they go cause i can't see his right hand), if you look at DustyDave, he does it nice and slow, it looks like he's doing 7 at first, and then the next time he does 6.

And if you look at the performance of dave matthews on youtube, it definitely sounds more than 6 strums.

I mean this is just a beginners talk, i'm not sure about most of it, this is why i posed this plea for help. So if anyone is in the mood for giving me a lesson... anytime.
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Unread post by taparoo » Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:51 pm

Coldchillin wrote:Palm muting is putting the base of your right hand on the bridge, no? If I am right then he barely does that.
No, you're right. I do believe he does it on the Stone a little bit, like Easy E said to control the volume level. That's not the main technique used for the riff, though, it's the muting with the left hand that gives it that 'Dave-ness'

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Unread post by matts420music » Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:55 pm

Easy E wrote:the only thing he really does differently on some of the main riffs is palm mute a little more often(ie jimi thing)
The question being asked in the thread is how to master a song (The Stone) exactly like Dave. I'm just trying to say that everytime Dave plays a song, it isn't always the same style. So if the originator of this thread would post a specific audio or video of the exact show that he wants us to explain how is played, that may help. Otherwise you will continue to get everyone's opinion on the way they learned it, from their audio, video, or how to recording which may or may not vary from what you actually want.

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Unread post by dmfollower » Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:58 pm

hey Ruslan, welcome to the boards. i'll cut straight to the chase as well here. for only playing the guitar for a small amount of months your tackling some quite difficult tunes i.e the stone and captain. i've been playing for nearly nine years now and i only perfected the stone about 3yrs. ago. ofcourse, everyone goes at there own pace. if your self teaching yourself i think you should learn some of daves more basic songs such as lie in our graves, proudest monkey and the song that jane likes. like someone else mentioned, its always helpful to give a song your all then leave it for a while and try and learn some other stuff, and then go back to it in a month or so.
as far as the stone goes, palm muting is a factor, especially during the first few minutes of the song. after that dave kinda opens up on the strings, gives it a little more presence. the 31x3 chord is a tough one to make sound good, make sure your not muting the 1 with your ring finger and focus on only struming those four notes(the muted d string is a factor in the sound of the chord).
as far as the intro picking goes, try and use up and down pick strokes and make sure you hit the 5's twice as fast as the other notes(w/ up and down strokes).
playing the guitar takes lots of dedication and practice. its not like learning a mathmatical equation where a simple explanation is all you need. learn some simplier songs and tackle the stone later down the road. learn some nirvana songs, green day, maybe bush. daves style is unique. learn some basic scales and chords. good luck.
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Unread post by Willin » Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:37 pm

I just uploaded a video on youtube with some tips on how to play The Stone for you. Hope it helps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cXfZt5ilVE

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Unread post by taparoo » Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:50 pm

Willin wrote:I just uploaded a video on youtube with some tips on how to play The Stone for you. Hope it helps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cXfZt5ilVE
That's should set a few people straight. I forget the riff after the Gm sometimes, too. :lol: In my opinion, though, what I hear most of the time Dave plays the riff is muting with the left hand of the D string instead of him actually picking that E note (2nd fret, D string). It's hard to pick up what he plays sometimes, though.

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Unread post by mbent4679 » Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:29 am

Coldchillin wrote:Palm muting is putting the base of your right hand on the bridge, no? If I am right then he barely does that.
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