The change in daves guitar play over the years...

[c_tietze]

Bob Dylan lives as arguably the greatest lyricist of all times, and a lotta his stuff was just playing with words, really lacking a central meaning.

Yikes! Dylan was a poet, but many of his best known songs have very clear meanings that most popular songwriters don't dare tackle.

[mlb1399]

Bob Dylan lives as arguably the greatest lyricist of all times, and a lotta his stuff was just playing with words, really lacking a central meaning.

Yikes! Dylan was a poet, but many of his best known songs have very clear meanings that most popular songwriters don't dare tackle.

Yeah I am gonna have to go with ctietze here. There aren't too many songwriters in history who have had as much thought and meaning behind their songs. A lot of them were politically charged. A lot of people consider Lennon one of the best songwriters ever. Well he looked up to Dylan. Dylan in fact got Lennon to start writing songs with more meaning.

[Twostep13]

I disagree. I don't think have has run out of ideas. If anything, old age and arthiritis are keeping him from coming up with cool riffs like that in The Stone. Looking at the new album, I think a fair amount of stuff sticks with typical Dave guitar parts.

For example, YMDT shares a lot of similarites with what I like to think of as his "two string" songs. These are the songs where you rarely hit more than two strings at a given time. Examples? Pig, Stay and Minarets to some extent.

I'm working right now, but I could keep going. Let me know if I may be off base with this train of thought.

i dont think hes run out of ideas either, then again i dont think its old age and arthritis either... hes not THAT old.. look at guys like BB king...
i think its a combo of just being in a different place than he was back then, and having different influences.... at first it was first hand stuff, like ill back you up, and stuff that was personal to him... now its more poltical and having to do with broader national and world wide topics....even though i havent heard every song on the new CD (havent had the time to go out and get it, and i refuse to DL it)..... also i think what contributes to it is that the old songs were road tested (i think someone said that earlier) and the were written for the road... where the new songs were written to make a CD...

[acousticraven]

I disagree. I don't think have has run out of ideas. If anything, old age and arthiritis are keeping him from coming up with cool riffs like that in The Stone. Looking at the new album, I think a fair amount of stuff sticks with typical Dave guitar parts.

For example, YMDT shares a lot of similarites with what I like to think of as his "two string" songs. These are the songs where you rarely hit more than two strings at a given time. Examples? Pig, Stay and Minarets to some extent.

I'm working right now, but I could keep going. Let me know if I may be off base with this train of thought.

Yea.. explains the 3 hour concert @ Roseland, and the summer tour. Yea .. he's real old..

No offense man.. but this album is just about death, sex, & love.. and I'm quoting a Dave Interview..tis their music, let them do whateva they want.

They went into the studio with nothing prepared.. their producer had them go into separate rooms and just jam till they came up with something.. and this is what they made.. I'm impressed by far. After this summer tour, everyone will be like Hell Yes I love these new songs!

[Kahn]

I disagree. I don't think have has run out of ideas. If anything, old age and arthiritis are keeping him from coming up with cool riffs like that in The Stone. Looking at the new album, I think a fair amount of stuff sticks with typical Dave guitar parts.

For example, YMDT shares a lot of similarites with what I like to think of as his "two string" songs. These are the songs where you rarely hit more than two strings at a given time. Examples? Pig, Stay and Minarets to some extent.

I'm working right now, but I could keep going. Let me know if I may be off base with this train of thought.

Yea.. explains the 3 hour concert @ Roseland, and the summer tour. Yea .. he's real old..

No offense man.. but this album is just about death, sex, & love.. and I'm quoting a Dave Interview..tis their music, let them do whateva they want.

They went into the studio with nothing prepared.. their producer had them go into separate rooms and just jam till they came up with something.. and this is what they made.. I'm impressed by far. After this summer tour, everyone will be like Hell Yes I love these new songs!

seriously, if BB King can play guitar at 80, and those walking corpses known as the Rolling Stones can still stand on a stage, I think a 38 year old Dave can play a little 6 string.

[MWR]

I disagree. I don't think have has run out of ideas. If anything, old age and arthiritis are keeping him from coming up with cool riffs like that in The Stone. Looking at the new album, I think a fair amount of stuff sticks with typical Dave guitar parts.

For example, YMDT shares a lot of similarites with what I like to think of as his "two string" songs. These are the songs where you rarely hit more than two strings at a given time. Examples? Pig, Stay and Minarets to some extent.

I'm working right now, but I could keep going. Let me know if I may be off base with this train of thought.

Yea.. explains the 3 hour concert @ Roseland, and the summer tour. Yea .. he's real old..

No offense man.. but this album is just about death, sex, & love.. and I'm quoting a Dave Interview..tis their music, let them do whateva they want.

They went into the studio with nothing prepared.. their producer had them go into separate rooms and just jam till they came up with something.. and this is what they made.. I'm impressed by far. After this summer tour, everyone will be like Hell Yes I love these new songs!

seriously, if BB King can play guitar at 80, and those walking corpses known as the Rolling Stones can still stand on a stage, I think a 38 year old Dave can play a little 6 string.

First off, DMB tours far more than B.B. does. Second, B.B. is a lead electric player, he's far less susceptible to repetitive stress.
Dave on the other hand has to go around and around with some pretty serious stretches. I personally think he is having problems wih his hands (and voice). I know nobody wants to hear it but...

[Kahn]

First off, DMB tours far more than B.B. does. Second, B.B. is a lead electric player, he's far less susceptible to repetitive stress.
Dave on the other hand has to go around and around with some pretty serious stretches. I personally think he is having problems wih his hands (and voice). I know nobody wants to hear it but...

Agreed, however, BB is double Dave's age and a diabetic. Dave, if I remember correctly, has CTS. I don't know if he still smokes, but in that case, his voice is getting raspier. I don't think Dave's guitar playing on this album is due to age though.

[tallguy83]

I was joking about Dave having arthritis and being old. Sorry about that.

[Grachi]

i think we are speculating too much.

i think this mark babson or bason or whatever the hell his name is is a crap producer, or not a producer that was really for DMB, that put something in front of DMB which isnt like DMB.

Which they've said themselves dave and mark both say in that behind the scenes thing on the DVD that its a "different album then they've ever done". it doesnt mean dave or dmb has lost its thunder or dave is magically a bad writer or something now, its just they were experimenting and experimenting doesnt always turn out as good as tried and true method. sometimes it works better, sometimes worse, sometimes the same.

but just because of this one album i wouldnt go as far as some of the people on here talking about all these "changes" and things.

[hcole]

I personally think he is having problems wih his hands (and voice). I know nobody wants to hear it but...

I would think that if he was having problems with his hands he would not be playing as much of the stuff that requires the stretching. Also Sugar Will (though not on the album) is a bitch on the hands and he played that at 99% of the shows last summer.

[MWR]

I personally think he is having problems wih his hands (and voice). I know nobody wants to hear it but...

I would think that if he was having problems with his hands he would not be playing as much of the stuff that requires the stretching. Also Sugar Will (though not on the album) is a bitch on the hands and he played that at 99% of the shows last summer.

Good point.

[Kahn]

I have a D&T show where he complains 2 or 3 times about his wrists hurting and carpal tunnel.

[jkanter]

I have a D&T show where he complains 2 or 3 times about his wrists hurting and carpal tunnel.

That's what they thought he had at first. It's tendenitis that he actually has.

And personally I was never complaining. I actually LOVE this album. It's got a great GROOVE to it. Is it different? Yes, 100%...but in a good way. I don't really want the same old, same old with DMB anymore. I can barely listen to a Two Step song live now because it's the same EXACT song it was 7yrs ago at Listener Supported. CHANGE THINGS UP A LITTLE.

I believe I heard that this producer has done stuff with Dre and other non-band artists? If that's true, it shows. The rhythm beats on this album are the first thing that will stick out...very, very solid. This album is more about Carter and Stefan than most others.

[Kukini]

I have a D&T show where he complains 2 or 3 times about his wrists hurting and carpal tunnel.

That's what they thought he had at first. It's tendenitis that he actually has.

And personally I was never complaining. I actually LOVE this album. It's got a great GROOVE to it. Is it different? Yes, 100%...but in a good way. I don't really want the same old, same old with DMB anymore. I can barely listen to a Two Step song live now because it's the same EXACT song it was 7yrs ago at Listener Supported. CHANGE THINGS UP A LITTLE.

I believe I heard that this producer has done stuff with Dre and other non-band artists? If that's true, it shows. The rhythm beats on this album are the first thing that will stick out...very, very solid. This album is more about Carter and Stefan than most others.

That's what I've been saying since it came out. Awesome.

[charliemike]

Bands try new things from time to time. Live! tried using Limp Bizkit's producer and that album (Live! V) sucked so bad their hardcore fans probably lit themselves on fire.

Yes this album is not like R2T, UTTAD, or Crash but it's like NOTHING else out there right now. It's not all over-processed pop shit that is a waste of my time and money.

It just happens. Dave isn't 23 anymore. He doesn't hang out in college bars and fall in and out of love all the time anymore. The band is in a place in their lives where they are established and confident and as such they are long removed from the experiences that shaped their early music.

Personally, I'd find it trite and incredibly fake if they put out an album with lyrics like some of their early stuff.

Dave takes a bus or a limo everywhere now. I just don't think he's even going to have an experience like the one that led him to name his song, "Dancing Nancies" ...

Just my $.02 ... I love the new album.