It don't seem right...

Ranting Thespian · Unread post by **Ranting Thespian** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 12:39 am

well, if we wanted only dmb songs. We would have to get rid of these on the site:

I'll Back You Up - played by Dave solo or with Timmy or Stefan, not a complete band effort there.

Christmas Song - same as IBYU

Ain't It Funny - Dave solo

Cryptochid - d&t only

Gulf Coast Highway - Dave & Emmy only

If I Had A Boat - d&t only

In My Life - Dave solo

John the Revelator - Dave and Carter and Carlos (and then timmy)

Stuck On You - Dave solo

Waste - Dave solo

Crazy - Dave and d&t

Graveidgger - that's already up! It is Dave solo

Stay Or Leave - same as gravedigger

What Will Become of Me - d&t only

#40 - sometimes someone helps, but this is really just Dave solo

Little Thing - d&t dave solo and An Another Thing is on the solo album, which is pretty much the same song

Stream - a Timmy song, so that doesn't have any memebers of the band on it

If we can't allow Some Devil up there, we have to remove those songs immediately.

grock · Unread post by **grock** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 2:41 am

see that's my point. i was showing how it would be rediculous to not have somedevil. but we are allowing some devil and we should at very least make a little picture of the album cover for True reflections and we got the song dave plays on there already tabbed.

so i am not saying we should take stuff off, i just think BT and True Reflections deserves a spot.

PlayLikeDave · Unread post by **PlayLikeDave** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 12:13 am

grock wrote:so i am not saying we should take stuff off, i just think BT and True Reflections deserves a spot.

As much I am not a fan of Boyd or his album, what is said above is true. But Dave Matthews is a demi-god, and he deserves to have all of his works on this site, and every other site for that matter. But it just would not be right because I do love the Dave Matthews Band. It would be kinda dumb if it were The Dave Matthews Band, and that crazy steroided-out, muscle shirt wearing, dread-head violin guy. DMB rocks.

peace

Appfro · Unread post by **Appfro** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 1:07 am

everydayDMBfan_18 wrote:I would love to see Jared tab out boyd's shiz

agreed. all jared could really do is put up the basic chords that are in the songs. he wouldn't be able to tab them out at all. almost no one could, even if you had a video...which im pretty sure there aren't any except the 2 times he actually performed for like dave letterman or jay or something. i just dont see it happening. respect, yes i see your point. but its not fesible if you ask me. except for JUST posting the chord progressions. and anyone can do that.

DreaminBassMunky · Unread post by **DreaminBassMunky** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 1:24 am

ermm i guess they key words are DAVE MATTHEWS in dave matthews band, not that the rest of the band isn't important, because Dave wouldn't be here without them, but he is the front man, and people usually tab the front man's stuff. Sure it may be unethical, maybe even unfair, but that's how it goes, and I personally appreciate having all manner of DMB and Dave solo, and D&T stuff up on here.

grock · Unread post by **grock** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 10:18 am

Appsoldier wrote:
everydayDMBfan_18 wrote:I would love to see Jared tab out boyd's shiz
agreed. all jared could really do is put up the basic chords that are in the songs. he wouldn't be able to tab them out at all. almost no one could, even if you had a video...which im pretty sure there aren't any except the 2 times he actually performed for like dave letterman or jay or something. i just dont see it happening. respect, yes i see your point. but its not fesible if you ask me. except for JUST posting the chord progressions. and anyone can do that.

no we don't have to have all the tabs and chords to the songs. just a spot on the album list and a tab (that's already been done) for true reflections. maybe a song istings but no chords. that's not necessary.

Appfro · Unread post by **Appfro** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 12:05 pm

i understand what you're saying. its all up to jared though. honestly, don't care anyway, but yea, i do understand where you're coming from

dancheatham · Unread post by **dancheatham** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 11:55 am

There are no videos for any of the songs on True Reflections (the title song is played differently on the album such that the tab on the site now does not apply). If Boyd does a tour and someone happens to tab out the guitar parts from watching live or from a video of the tour, then I would imagine they'll be put on the site. Otherwise, I think they're sticking to songs that they have videos of.

Ranting Thespian · Unread post by **Ranting Thespian** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:53 am

dancheatham wrote:There are no videos for any of the songs on True Reflections (the title song is played differently on the album such that the tab on the site now does not apply). If Boyd does a tour and someone happens to tab out the guitar parts from watching live or from a video of the tour, then I would imagine they'll be put on the site. Otherwise, I think they're sticking to songs that they have videos of.

very good point

Appfro · Unread post by **Appfro** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 1:11 am

but he isn't saying that every song has to be tabbed out. he just thinks it should get its respected cd cover at the top w/ at least the true reflections song in it.

grock · Unread post by **grock** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:16 am

i just think it is kinda shitty that we are all DMB fans and when dave comes out with an album we just can't wait but we don't even give the time of day to Boyd and his project. let's just be consistent. if we have dave solo stuff we should take all of their solo stuff.

Unread post by **jpittman** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 9:10 am

***I am NOT speaking ex cathedra***. For you non-lapsed Catholics

, that means I'm not speaking as a representative of DMBTabs.com, merely as the opinionated jackass that I truly am.

Whoever it was that mentioned utility on the first page of this thread is actually right on track, IMO. You have no idea how much time we spent deciding how big each album cover could be, how many different albums we could put up (different live albums, etc). There is a very limited amount of horizontal space on a web site, and we try and be mindful of the fact that not everybody is using a 21" monitor at a super resolution.

Let's suppose that Some Devil tabs will be added to the front page [as an album] (and I think that's a safe assumption). That's already adding another X pixels of horizontal space. We know there will be a new full band album in the not-so-distant future (my guess: 18 months). That's another X pixels.

So the question becomes whether it is worth the sacrifice in screen space and effort (to tab the songs), for the benefit that users will receive. I can tell you that True Reflections (the full band version) is not exactly a sought after tab (we have our ways of knowing

). I find it very hard to believe that many people would be all that excited about getting tabs from Boyd's album.

You raise the issue that it's a matter of respect. I don't think that's really on point here. I respect Boyd as a player and a member of the band. That said, I'm not posting on a site which features Boyd's violin parts. Or Leroi's saxophone parts. Or Carter's beats. We have tabs of Dave Matthews' guitar parts, and some of Stefan's parts (being closely related).

If someone wants to transcribe Boyd's music and put it on their website, more power to 'em. But Dmbtabs.com needn't be the catch-all for Dave Matthews Band content on the internet.

Der-ak · Unread post by **Der-ak** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 9:17 am

Thanks Pittman, for putting it so eloquently. This is not a catch-all site.

Plus,... and I'm not ashamed to admit it, Boyd kinda stinks.

grock · Unread post by **grock** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 9:49 am

Der-ak wrote:Thanks Pittman, for putting it so eloquently. This is not a catch-all site.

Plus,... and I'm not ashamed to admit it, Boyd kinda stinks.

agreed. at least his solo album.

and jpittman, i have a simple solution for the horizontal space problem: add a second line. i mean you will eventually need to go that way anyway huh?

whatever you guys do, it's not like i'm gonna stop coming here or somtehting, i just thought it should be consistant that if one member's solos stuff is on the DMB tabs site then all member's solo stuff should be here as well. really, even if it is just mentioning it in passing. i mean some of those live songs are listed but have no tabs under them. i just hate it when people aren't consitent in what they do. it is a pet peeve of mine.

Unread post by **jpittman** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 9:55 am

It's not necessarily as easy as merely adding a second line. We might have to yes, but we're damn sure going to try and stay with what we have for as long as it's feasible; to do otherwise is to burden ourselves with even more work.

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