Naming Dave Chords

[dmfollower]

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/604.gif[/img]

[quote][/quote]

[charliemike]

I say again.

A chord is THREE different notes played together. Two different notes played together is called an interval. That's it, there are no exceptions.

What about things like 6-4-x-7-x-x ??

If you throw out the fifth that becomes a completely different chord.

And while a 3-1-x-3 might be a Gm it sounds like shit as a regular Gm

I don't know if you meant to write the first chord like that. It has a major AND minor third (doesn't even contain a fifth) which is one of the most dissonant sounds possible.
The second chord is another chord that isn't a chord. It's a Gm third interval. I'm not implying that this really matters because the fifth can omitted and it won't effect the tonality much. In fact guitarist's usually do leave out the fifth and even the root because that's the domain of the bass player.
Thirds, Sixths, and Sevenths are the notes that can be distinctively major or minor. Fifths can be minor or major a.k.a. diminished or augmented but they're very hard to use in popular songwriting. The only place you regularly see diminished and augmented chords is in jazz.

The reason I ask is for example on Two Step, I think the verse is Dm, Bb, C, F, A#m, and then Gm? It doesn't sound right ...

Then there's the chorus ... F, B#m, Bb, A#m, Gm ?

For the "things we cannot change" I am guessing it's F, A#m, Gm and then back to Dm and the verse again ?

There's obviously a reason Dave plays it the way he does but if those chords are correct, playing them "normally" sounds like complete crap.

[MWR]

I say again.

A chord is THREE different notes played together. Two different notes played together is called an interval. That's it, there are no exceptions.

What about things like 6-4-x-7-x-x ??

If you throw out the fifth that becomes a completely different chord.

And while a 3-1-x-3 might be a Gm it sounds like shit as a regular Gm

I don't know if you meant to write the first chord like that. It has a major AND minor third (doesn't even contain a fifth) which is one of the most dissonant sounds possible.
The second chord is another chord that isn't a chord. It's a Gm third interval. I'm not implying that this really matters because the fifth can omitted and it won't effect the tonality much. In fact guitarist's usually do leave out the fifth and even the root because that's the domain of the bass player.
Thirds, Sixths, and Sevenths are the notes that can be distinctively major or minor. Fifths can be minor or major a.k.a. diminished or augmented but they're very hard to use in popular songwriting. The only place you regularly see diminished and augmented chords is in jazz.

The reason I ask is for example on Two Step, I think the verse is Dm, Bb, C, F, A#m, and then Gm? It doesn't sound right ...

Then there's the chorus ... F, B#m, Bb, A#m, Gm ?

For the "things we cannot change" I am guessing it's F, A#m, Gm and then back to Dm and the verse again ?

There's obviously a reason Dave plays it the way he does but if those chords are correct, playing them "normally" sounds like complete crap.

It doesn't sound right because those aren't the right chords.

Two step verse: Dm-Bb-C-F-Bb-Am-Gm
"things we cannot change": it's just the second half of the verse repeated or F-Bb-Am-Gm
Chorus: F-C-Gm-Bb-Am

The reason why Dave plays "chords" like this is simple...muting. The damped strings allow him to get that percussive effect that he's known for.

[Hopeful Rolling Waves]

You definitely see Aug and Dim chords in music other than jazz. That's a pretty serious pigeonhole. And that 4th chord in Crazy/Captain is an A. And the version D&T do on the 2-2-97 DVD is F-ing sweet.

[MWR]

You definitely see Aug and Dim chords in music other than jazz. That's a pretty serious pigeonhole. And that 4th chord in Crazy/Captain is an A. And the version D&T do on the 2-2-97 DVD is F-ing sweet.

I was making a generalization to get the point across. I'm not going to open the annals of musicology and tell him every genre that uses aug/dim chords. I was mostly refering to popular songwriting if you missed that. Pretty lame to top the thread just so you can call me on that.

Wait...is that you FJ?

[NonSequitur]

ok - can anyone name the chord in Up and Away?

X-3-1-x-4-x-x

I'm playing it with a friend, and I'd like to be able to tell him what it is, so I don't look like a gonk.

[sunglassesatnight]

C-Eb-Eb are the notes of the chord. Since there are only two and not three different notes, it's not really a true chord. It's not a power chord either, so it's like Cmin (no fifth).

[NonSequitur]

thanks for the swift response. My guess would have been some sort of Cm affair.....nice one!

[buffjam9011]

anyone got a link to some sort of intro to theory so i can kind of follow these discussions.

[TriPPin'BiLLies']

i just give them made up names for example the 4th chord in crazy i call it a little bitch

hahahaha

[proudestmonkey41]

soo can someone name the chord from crash? ive always wondered what its name is... similar shape if not the exact same chord is in i'll back you up and lover lay down also.. right??

[nate]

http://jguitar.com/chordname?string5=x& ... &string0=x

This might help with the chord naming. Pretty easy to use site. It gives several different possibilities for some chords but I usually go with the first one given, unless I know it's known by another name.