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gcom007 · Unread post by **gcom007** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:52 pm

rin wrote:i agree with fatjack. i don't think gcom should be bashed simply because he's said negative things about the band here.

of all the boards to discuss the possible degeneration of dmb i would think this would be the best one. our love for the band is not driven simply by blind devotion, but appreciation and understanding of what it takes to make music. clearly, dmb has a special place in all of our hearts, which is probably what makes us so knee-jerkingly defensive about them. if you'd read gcom's post though, he also has a lot of emotion invested in the band.

that being said, i don't agree with gcom...

they're like the ice cream man...they come back every summer dishing the same flavors basically.
i think the setlists this tour have been a vast improvment over past tours. they're playing more rare songs, they're mixing it up, they're coming up with new segues all the time... there seems to be much more variety than in the past few years, in my opinion.

12/13/02 and 7/2/03 I'd have to say were pretty lacking in real energy
while i agree with you that the winter 2002 tour was mediocre from what i saw (i only saw one show though), i've been to 6/20 and 6/21 this tour and thought they were great, 6/20 especially. it may seem to you that dave doesn't care anymore, but i'll tell you, he played his heart out that night. i can't speak for the show you were at, since i wasn't there, but i have to say that i felt my hopes rising for dmb after those 2 shows. i had also thought they were getting a little stale, but from what i've seen, they seem to be on the upswing. i'm also going to 9/13 and 9/14, so we'll see how i feel after that.

you also mention that you think the band needs a break, and cite the fact that they seem to be going in different directions. maybe for them that is their hiatus--working on projects with different people. maybe they do need a real break, who knows?

you also mention the desertion of the "real fans" and seem to think the dmb community is going downhill. i'm sorry you feel that way, but in my opinion, the dmb community has always been a little clique-ish. people like to get into pissing contests about who's the more hardcore fan, who's been to more shows, who has the most shows, etc, which is stupid. until i found this site i never posted, just lurked, cause i didn't care about that shit. here people seem to be much more into the music itself, and accepting of "new" fans.

that's part of why it sucked when you showed up here posting stuff like "dave matthews is corrupt". i think you have a good argument and what you said in your long-ass post was valid. but pissing people off right off the bat is not gonna help things.

i guess what i'm trying to say is hang in there gcom. you may think things look bleak right now, but wait and see how this tour turns out. don't judge it just on one show.

sorry for the long post.

despite the fact that I don't completely agree with you still about it all (except coming in trying to tick people off...), this was a great reply, thank you for atleast discussing in a mature manner and actually addressing things and defending your side!

rin · Unread post by **rin** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 1:05 am

gcom007 wrote: despite the fact that I don't completely agree with you still about it all (except coming in trying to tick people off...), this was a great reply, thank you for atleast discussing in a mature manner and actually addressing things and defending your side!

aww.. you do have a heart gcom!

Unread post by **jkanter** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 4:06 am

rin wrote:
gcom007 wrote: despite the fact that I don't completely agree with you still about it all (except coming in trying to tick people off...), this was a great reply, thank you for atleast discussing in a mature manner and actually addressing things and defending your side!

aww.. you do have a heart gcom!

Awwwww,,,,,,Who woulda thought??? :?:

MattyTrane · Unread post by **MattyTrane** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 11:45 am

Coulda fooled me

j/k

gcom007 · Unread post by **gcom007** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 12:10 pm

6StringSamurai wrote:Coulda fooled me
j/k

you're STILL snottier than I ever was!

I'mWithFatjack · Unread post by **I'mWithFatjack** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 5:20 pm

gcom, im agree with the fact that you shouldnt be bashed just because you have said negative things about dave matthews, but you have to understand that a lot of these people love dave matthews and it seems hard for you to be surprised by peoples reaction to things like "Dave matthews is a terrible live band" you know, im not saying you cant have your opnion but if you want to discuss it then maybe you should tome down your approach a little

ryopan · Unread post by **ryopan** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 6:28 pm

I'mWithFatjack wrote: im not saying you cant have your opnion but if you want to discuss it then maybe you should tome down your approach a little

here here. 8)

gcom007 · Unread post by **gcom007** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 3:05 am

I'll take that into consideration.

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