Dave's gettin' soft

Davy28 · Unread post by **Davy28** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:27 am

My fav is amen omen.

wayward_blue · Unread post by **wayward_blue** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:58 pm

trippin6strings wrote:i read somewhere that the lyrics to 41 were written while he was going through legal disputes with his mentor/teacher over his material. i wouldnt take my word on things like this though, just wondering if anyone has any input as to his educational background.

On Dave Matthews Driven from VH1 said that he took lessons as a little kid. I believe it was when he still lived in South Africa but I'll have to check on that last part. Other than that I don't know of any others. But I doubt he wrote enough stuff while he was learning from him so I don't know how he could sue him. wouldn't that suck if every famous guitar player was sued by their guitar teacher.

Davy28 · Unread post by **Davy28** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 3:33 pm

wayward_blue wrote:
trippin6strings wrote:i read somewhere that the lyrics to 41 were written while he was going through legal disputes with his mentor/teacher over his material. i wouldnt take my word on things like this though, just wondering if anyone has any input as to his educational background.
On Dave Matthews Driven from VH1 said that he took lessons as a little kid. I believe it was when he still lived in South Africa but I'll have to check on that last part. Other than that I don't know of any others. But I doubt he wrote enough stuff while he was learning from him so I don't know how he could sue him. wouldn't that suck if every famous guitar player was sued by their guitar teacher.

yikes

HCHaikuWarrior · Unread post by **HCHaikuWarrior** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:46 am

[quote="onemoredrink"] And plus there are useless little songs like Loving Wings that are really simple. [quote]

useless???? it's a beautiful song. :evil:

hcole · Unread post by **hcole** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 7:05 am

wayward_blue wrote:
trippin6strings wrote:i read somewhere that the lyrics to 41 were written while he was going through legal disputes with his mentor/teacher over his material. i wouldnt take my word on things like this though, just wondering if anyone has any input as to his educational background.
On Dave Matthews Driven from VH1 said that he took lessons as a little kid. I believe it was when he still lived in South Africa but I'll have to check on that last part. Other than that I don't know of any others. But I doubt he wrote enough stuff while he was learning from him so I don't know how he could sue him. wouldn't that suck if every famous guitar player was sued by their guitar teacher.

Lessons or no lessons, it doesn't really matter unless we get into the qualifications of the people teaching him. When I first started playing I took lessons for about a month. My teacher could play the guitar like a Mofo but he couldn't read music, he wasn't organized and he quite frankly couldn't teach.

If Dave had lessons it could have been from some hack like the guy I took mine from.

onemoredrink · Unread post by **onemoredrink** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:59 pm

[quote="onemoredrink"] And plus there are useless little songs like Loving Wings that are really simple. [quote]

useless???? it's a beautiful song.

I liked the concept of loving wings, how it was just a little jam that every member of the band would contribute to, so that the song grew little by little. Reminded me alot of Proudest Monkey. Still I when I went to see Dave live in 2002, no one knew what was going on. Everyone was like, "What the hell is this?" A lot of people sat down. It just felt like the song took too long to get started and never built up enough energy. Also the riff is very repetitive and after 7 mins. actually got on my nerves a little. It just killed the mood of the show.

1eyed_jack · Unread post by **1eyed_jack** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:29 pm

onemoredrink wrote:
onemoredrink wrote: And plus there are useless little songs like Loving Wings that are really simple.

useless???? it's a beautiful song.

I liked the concept of loving wings, how it was just a little jam that every member of the band would contribute to, so that the song grew little by little. Reminded me alot of Proudest Monkey. Still I when I went to see Dave live in 2002, no one knew what was going on. Everyone was like, "What the hell is this?" A lot of people sat down. It just felt like the song took too long to get started and never built up enough energy. Also the riff is very repetitive and after 7 mins. actually got on my nerves a little. It just killed the mood of the show.

have you ever heard the 12-14-02 version? if not PM me and ill get it to you.

its the best version ive heard hands down, carter goes nuts

AJDMB05 · Unread post by **AJDMB05** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:49 am

If anyone still doubts Dave's ability to write creative riffs, check out the most recently written song on an official DMB album. You Never Know.

DJR · Unread post by **DJR** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:12 am

AJDMB05 wrote:If anyone still doubts Dave's ability to write creative riffs, check out the most recently written song on an official DMB album. You Never Know.

good call on YNK, great riffs in there
also another one i like playing, and is pretty creative i think is the everyday breakdown, simple - somewhat, dave chords- yup, fun to play - hell yeah

EDIT just thought of another recent song with a great riff or two - JTR

myonlybliss · Unread post by **myonlybliss** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:33 pm

I agree with his stuff becoming simpler. That seems to happen to all artists/musicians. They seem to have a "creative period" that is generally brief and explosive. If you look at any band, they almost always have an album or two that was their defining sound. I am predicting that DMB's new stuff will sound very similar to Busted Stuff and/or Some Devil. The songs will be more mellow, less complex, less energetic, and more introspective/dark. There will be nothing similar to UTAD, Crash, or BTCS. That's my prediction.

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